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Old 03-11-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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Has Trump administration presented any evidence that Trump Tower was wiretapped by Obama?

 
Old 03-11-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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Has Trump administration presented any evidence that Trump Tower was wiretapped by Obama?
Verified and was Tapped in Oct. 2016 by Fiser Warrant ad nothing was revealed, but the tapping continued.
 
Old 03-11-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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Pretty hard to look at the impact technology has had on political life (from the internet to social media to twitter) and not wonder whether the very possibility of a "free press" is being undermined. Not from a conspiratorial point of view but rather from how folks neurologically process information.

Years ago I came across some reference to airplane cockpit design. The very systems intended to prevent pilot error were instead a factor in missteps. Too much input.

That some folks more methodologically assemble the various media puzzle pieces before fashioning or adopting a conclusion is undeniable. But not all have the time, patience, or in some cases, ability to do it "accurately." And almost certainly there are psychological studies demonstrating that conclusions once adopted are not often shed.

There's another issue. The inherent responsibility of the press. No argument that the press plays a role in maintaining a free democracy. But what are its obligations when given greater aptitude (time, patience, ability) for processing the various puzzle pieces "it" (outlet owners, editors, reporters) come to the conclusion that certain statements need be made.

Bias introduced if you will? Sure, this is wrong, but is it "always" wrong? Wrong in theory, but always in practice?

Not an original observation that all the press attention given to Trump during the preliminaries helped create the Trump-phenomenon. His opponents claimed they could not break through. Sure there were other factors ... but last summer I remember wondering about possible MSM editorial meetings where some said: "What have we done?" Might they have some sort of obligation to introduce a "bias" (now critical coverage of Trump) to counter or make right the earlier bias (inadvertent suppression of alternative points of view)?

Add to this you have the principal (Trump) himself acting not as President but as his own news outlet (through twitter) with less than stellar results. How did he put it? Any MSM coverage that contradicted him was, by definition, wrong because he "was there" and knew the truth. How does a free press cope under these conditions?

Just a thought. No conclusion. No easy answers.

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Old 03-11-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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What makes you think he had no "back-up?"

Obama has been a "subversive" his entire life. He has a history of wanting to overthrow the U.S. government. As a "radical," Obama has no scruples when it comes to achieving political goals. He doesn't care if something is illegal, if he believes he can get away with it.

Obama used his power to illegally gain access to Trumps campaign.
As you don't have any proof, you are making it up as you go.
 
Old 03-11-2017, 12:58 PM
 
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Oh please - enough drama about Trump - Obama how many times told us that he never knew about it and that he found out about it just like us - Pelosi - we don't know what's in it until we pass it. There are a lot of buffoons in politics on both sides but to think Trump and his crew are worse than what we had for 8 years - you're delusion!

Jobs are coming back - and these are the real numbers - not the numbers cooked up by Obama and his group. The stock market is stronger than ever and no it wasn't because of Obama - it's because businessmen finally had confidence that someone who knew finances was actually going to do something to help.

It's sad because I 've always tried to turn the other cheek - put myself in the other person's shoes - tried to understand positions that were different than my own beliefs - but after being on these boards the last few years - I've lost a lot of that compassion and acceptance. In fact I 've become alienated to many of these people, groups, protests ect because they aren't acting for anyone's benefit but their own. The anti-Trump posters are going to hate him no matter who he is or what he does - just because it wasn't a Democrat who won the WH.
It is because the majority that voted know that he is now and has always been a lunatic.
 
Old 03-11-2017, 01:08 PM
 
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Has Trump administration presented any evidence that Trump Tower was wiretapped by Obama?
No - none at all has been presented. It is based on rumors sparked by one website article, by one British woman.

That's why it is curious Trump has requested an investigation which is scheduled to begin soon. One would assume he would have given the evidence to the committee prior to the investigation, rather than asking them to find it.

First up testifying, I believe, will be Comey who has already publicly expressed his outrage at the accusation, which was presented in a Trump tweet, made immediately prior to a tweet regarding Arnold Schwarzenegger's tv ratings.

It will be a very public transparent investigation. Get out the popcorn.

"...On Tuesday afternoon, in his first on-camera briefing in a week, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said this when asked for proof of Trump's wiretapping claims: “It’s not a question of new proof or less proof or whatever.” Instead, he insisted, the goal of Trump's tweets was simply to get congressional investigators to look into the possibility of wiretapping. Congress is now doing this, so, in Spicer's mind, mission accomplished..."

"...I think what Sean Spicer and the President wanted was to take this spurious claim and try to bury it in a closed hearing in the intelligence committee. We’re not going to allow that to happen. We’re going to air this very publicly,” Rep. Adam Schiff told CNN’s Chris Cuomo on “New Day.”..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ad82fe1d3e03

SoCal Rep. Adam Schiff: Investigation Into Trump’s Wiretapping Claims to Be Done ‘Very Publicly’ | KTLA
 
Old 03-11-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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Verified and was Tapped in Oct. 2016 by Fiser Warrant ad nothing was revealed, but the tapping continued.

So they did convince the judge that something is fishy.Has to be something going on to convince the judge.
 
Old 03-11-2017, 01:17 PM
 
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Verified and was Tapped in Oct. 2016 by Fiser Warrant ad nothing was revealed, but the tapping continued.
Where is the link? Give us some proof.
 
Old 03-11-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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Where is the link? Give us some proof.
the story was from Hannity last night. I don't know why Liberals are nt picking up on this since theythink they are dam intelligent.





March 09, 2017
Circa News: Investigation into Trump server found nothing; Rep. Kevin McCarthy addresses criticisms of health care bill
 
Old 03-11-2017, 04:47 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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the story was from Hannity last night. I don't know why Liberals are nt picking up on this since theythink they are dam intelligent.





March 09, 2017
Circa News: Investigation into Trump server found nothing; Rep. Kevin McCarthy addresses criticisms of health care bill
They always ask, "Where's the link?" They don't know how (or won't) do their own damn research. They are either too stupid or just plain lazy. Or (3rd possibility), they really do believe the lying "mainstream" media like MSNBC, CNN, et al, which also equals, "they are stupid."
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