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Old 03-07-2017, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Middlebury is a Private School....Einstein.

Heck....you & your Totalitarian SJ Warriors might be right. The purity of your thoughts has convinced me.... & the methods used by the the SJWs would make Lenin and Stalin (& their NKVD) proud. BTW.....LOVE those masks !!

Heck, might as well Burn the damn Declaration of Independence. & Burn down the University of Virginia. (since TJ started it.....& William & Mary, since TJ attended there). Probably need to burn down the entire country of England....since they transported the slaves here. Damn crackpot racists.

& have you heard the racist & sexist things that Richard Pryor said ??? (Burn all his records). & how about 95% of all RAP music (burn all those records). I heard Mozart had a servant. Burn those records. And Mohammed liked little girls....burn all Korans (& all mosques). & a percentage of Catholic Priests liked little boys...burn down all Cathedrals and raze Vatican City to the ground.

& on & on & on.....

Lighten up Francis.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Have you read his works? If people had done that to Louis Farrakhan (a racist) you would be going ballistic.

If they have indeed read his works, then why did they not let him speak and then ask him hard questions? Really, I would like you to answer that.

If he is a "crackpot racist" as you say, then one would think he would be pretty easy to debate and defame.

Instead we see yet another incident where the Left behaves like the Ku Klux Klan and people like you applaud it.

Your crowd has become the Nazis and you are perfectly happy with it.
I'm no fan of Farrakhan, but much of what Farrakhan has said is true in regards to racism against blacks in this country. If your protests shut down this man from speaking it would be trying to silence someone speaking the truth, at least partial truths. Someone who advocated for white supremacy (I believe he is the "Bell Curve" guy from the 90's) and being prevented from speaking are students saying that racism is not going to be tolerated.

And for the record, I'm all for letting these racists have their venue. Colleges have become way too politically correct. And let's remember, it was the student body who shut him down, not the administrative side. (And I believe this crackpot still gave his speech anyway in a more "secure" location)

Someone like Farrakhan is not going to give a speech at someplace like Liberty Baptist, because this school would not book him, and he wouldnt waste his time with a bunch of rightwing rednecks anyway (and I'm no fan of the man, either)
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Old 03-07-2017, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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It's a private school.

Is there "real fault" with allowing people with communist social ideas to speak? Communism was responsible for around 100 million deaths in the 20th century, thus far outpacing deaths from any type of militarized racist ideology.

How are Marxist social ideas, then, not "hatred" given the continued foundational metric of how many deaths (the ultimate metric of hatred) any one ideology has caused?

In fact, applying this ultimate standard to the two opposing political forces, Charles Murray seems like a moral savior compared to anything that neo-Marxists would spew.
Have you been listening to Glenn Beck again?
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:47 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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I'm no fan of Farrakhan, but much of what Farrakhan has said is true in regards to racism against blacks in this country. If your protests shut down this man from speaking it would be trying to silence someone speaking the truth, at least partial truths. Someone who advocated for white supremacy (I believe he is the "Bell Curve" guy from the 90's) and being prevented from speaking are students saying that racism is not going to be tolerated.

And for the record, I'm all for letting these racists have their venue. Colleges have become way too politically correct. And let's remember, it was the student body who shut him down, not the administrative side. (And I believe this crackpot still gave his speech anyway in a more "secure" location)

Someone like Farrakhan is not going to give a speech at someplace like Liberty Baptist, because this school would not book him, and he wouldnt waste his time with a bunch of rightwing rednecks anyway (and I'm no fan of the man, either)
you believe wrong. you're zero for three
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:06 AM
 
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Bottom line....Either there is freedom of speech, or there isn't. Democrats/Republicans can't have it both ways. Currently Dems are the ones waylaying public speaking, often times with violence.

Additionally, I do not believe that schools, elementary, or higher ed has any business politicizing period, especially since many receive federal funding paid by our taxes.
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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you believe wrong. you're zero for three
I might be two for three, but only if he didn't give his speech.
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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LMAO...considering where this happened to him (not in "the hood" as he'd have people believe would be more likely according to his own book), maybe he should reconsider his book's ostensible premise. Hahahahahahaaaaa!

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy!

Did the female faculty member who was escorting him out to his car deserve it?

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Old 03-08-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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Murray should not have been shouted down. But I will note that his credentials are not universally acknowledged to be impeccable.
So, you live in a "super zip" don't you. lmao
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Warrior Country
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I'm no fan of Farrakhan, but much of what Farrakhan has said is true in regards to racism against blacks in this country. If your protests shut down this man from speaking it would be trying to silence someone speaking the truth, at least partial truths. Someone who advocated for white supremacy (I believe he is the "Bell Curve" guy from the 90's) and being prevented from speaking are students saying that racism is not going to be tolerated.

And for the record, I'm all for letting these racists have their venue. Colleges have become way too politically correct. And let's remember, it was the student body who shut him down, not the administrative side. (And I believe this crackpot still gave his speech anyway in a more "secure" location)

Someone like Farrakhan is not going to give a speech at someplace like Liberty Baptist, because this school would not book him, and he wouldnt waste his time with a bunch of rightwing rednecks anyway (and I'm no fan of the man, either)
I'm not a "fan" of Farrakhan either (interestingly....I do respect that he takes Black men to task for not marrying their women when they get pregnant). but whether a fan or not.... NO ONE here would (or should) advocate "shutting him down" for the very reasons you cite (it's an alternative viewpoint & he might have some truths or ideas to share).

That's the point danny bm. The Bell Curve guy is a PHD, has written many books, has interesting ideas regarding the decline of white american intelligence numbers the past two generations, the possible causes and implication of this decline, the same concerns for blacks, & the possible causes and implication of this decline.

You may think the Bell Curve guy is a racist, I may think he's an academic who looks at numbers that exists and tries to give explanations for them. Heck....we both may be right...but we won't know unless we listen to the man speak. This is the reason (that smarter guys than either of us decided that) the First Amendment should exist.


danny bm, you were the guy who said that he should be shouted down. you were they guy who said it was OK to beat the cr*p out of him (and an innocent women who was protecting him).

Now you're crawfishing and saying that Colleges are "too politically correct". You can't have it both ways. You can't advocate violence against someone who may or may not have racist thoughts and then say that you are NOT a Social Justice Warrior (& that you're OK with political incorrectness).

You're all over the place. A SJW..... who's not a fan of Farrakahn....who appreciates political incorrectness.....and who supports attacking the First Amendment & beating the cr*p out of people who may or may not have racists thoughts. It's Fascinating & Exhausting.
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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I'm no fan of Farrakhan, but much of what Farrakhan has said is true in regards to racism against blacks in this country. If your protests shut down this man from speaking it would be trying to silence someone speaking the truth, at least partial truths. Someone who advocated for white supremacy (I believe he is the "Bell Curve" guy from the 90's) and being prevented from speaking are students saying that racism is not going to be tolerated.

And for the record, I'm all for letting these racists have their venue. Colleges have become way too politically correct. And let's remember, it was the student body who shut him down, not the administrative side. (And I believe this crackpot still gave his speech anyway in a more "secure" location)

Someone like Farrakhan is not going to give a speech at someplace like Liberty Baptist, because this school would not book him, and he wouldnt waste his time with a bunch of rightwing rednecks anyway (and I'm no fan of the man, either)
Farrakhan also believes Blacks arrived in Spaceships and White People are Devils. That is certainly RACISM, if not insanity.

None the less, I have no problem with him spewing his venom anywhere that hosts him and believe he should be do so unmolested and uncensored (and he does).

Why should Murray have had to give his speech in a secure location? Why did he have to tolerate violence of the type used by the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, Black Shirts, etc? Why were the students setting off fire alarms (illegal and reckless btw).

Why did they not simply debate him in the open?

You yourself admit you have not read his material. Nor have the thugs who attacked him and a women (such courage....).

It does not bother you that you support exactly what you claim to oppose?
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