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Old 04-13-2017, 11:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The 2nd amendment clearly states, if you're part of a militia then the government cannot infringe on your right to own a weapon.
And if you're not part of a militia, the govt still can't infringe on your right to own a weapon.

Funny how so many anti-gun liberals miss that part.

It says that since a militia is necessary, the govt can't infringe of the right of the people... all the people.

Even if someone was able to somehow prove that militias WEREN'T necessary, the 2nd would still mean that the govt can't infringe the right of all people to own and carry a weapon.

The first part of the amendment is merely an explanation of WHY the govt can't infringe the right. It imposes no conditions on the ban against govt infringing the right.

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Old 04-13-2017, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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The Glock 19 that is currently at my 5 o'clock position tells me it's damn good to be an armed American, especially here in the South.
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Old 04-13-2017, 11:47 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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And if you are not part of a militia, the govt still can't infringe on your right to own a weapon.

Funny how so many anti-gun liberals miss that part.

It says that since a militia is necessary, the govt can't infringe o the right of the people... all the people.

Even if someone was able to somehow prove that militias WEREN'T necessary, the 2nd would still mean that the govt can't infringe the right of all people to own and carry a weapon.

The first part of the amendment is merely an explanation of WHY the govt can't infringe the right. It imposes no conditions on the ban against govt infringing the right.

All the blanks in there that government filled in for us, by inserting language, making it a privilege.... was our liberty, they took for them to tell us. Making those choices for us.
That is not what was intended at all. Never ever in a million years was that the intention.
Government could control, that the people had inferior weaponry than the government.(looky here what we have today)
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Old 04-13-2017, 11:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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All the blanks in there that government filled in for us, by inserting language, making it a privilege.... was our liberty, they took for them to tell us. Making those choices for us.
Is there a coherent sentence in English in there somewhere?
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Old 04-13-2017, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The 2nd amendment clearly states, if you're part of a militia then the government cannot infringe on your right to own a weapon.

Now, define what a militia is: a civilian army.

So ask yourself, are you wanting to own a weapon to participate in a militia?
That will answer your question in whether the government can restrict your right to own weapons or not as simple as that.
You are complicating the matter. The people have the right to form a militia, this is not the same as a paid army, this is clear as they did not use "militia" and "army" interchangeably. In fact, the Generals of the Continental Army were not always terribly fond of the state militias.

You do not need to be part of a militia and own a firearm to exercise your 2nd amendment. Under the 2nd amendment you have the right to form a militia, and you also have a right to own a firearm.

If you want to change the meaning of the 2nd amendment you can petition your representatives to call for a Constitutional Convention and redefine the 2nd amendment.

Regardless the Bill of Rights was not about government rights, it was about individual rights.

If you do not believe that to be the case, then lets discuss the remaining amendments and see how we can twist them so as not to be a right of the individual, shall we?
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:39 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Our court system interprets a 200+ year old constitution, to suit the world of today. That was wisely written into the Constitution, because the founders of this country knew that many changes would take place and only by
providing an adaptable document, would we be able to thrive.
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Our Congress and state legislatures explicitly amend a 200+ year old constitution, to suit the world of today. That was wisely written into the Constitution, because the founders of this country knew that many changes would take place and only by
providing an adaptable document, would we be able to thrive.
Fixed it for you.
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Old 04-28-2017, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The 2nd amendment clearly states, if you're part of a militia then the government cannot infringe on your right to own a weapon.

Now, define what a militia is: a civilian army.

So ask yourself, are you wanting to own a weapon to participate in a militia?
That will answer your question in whether the government can restrict your right to own weapons or not as simple as that.
It says "the right of the people," not "the right of the militia."
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:01 AM
 
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Here are the sheep I was talking about. They will do what they are told.
As should you ,no one is above the law.I would rather have a sheep instead of a lone wolf.
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:03 AM
 
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Is there a coherent sentence in English in there somewhere?
No.
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Old 04-30-2017, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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As should you ,no one is above the law.I would rather have a sheep instead of a lone wolf.
The problem comes in when a law is in obvious violation of the spirit and intent of the Constitution; But a court, stacked with activist lawyers, vote 5-4 to change the meaning of the Constitution at their discretion.


Even the recent fiasco with Republicans refusing to hold a hearing for Merrick Garland, and instead appointing Gorsuch, should make it obvious to everyone, that the law, and thus the Constitution, is mere putty in the hands of the judiciary, who can reshape at it their will.

Who honestly believes that the Constitution even matters to our government? The biggest advocates of the Constitution, are the "Constitutionalists", and they know better than most how unconstitutional our government is.


Thus, at what point do you, as a man, stand up and take back your "god-given rights"?

Or as Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Declaration of Independence...

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"Prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes: and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations... pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to subject them to arbitrary power, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security."

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams


No one remembers loyalist scum fondly.
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