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Old 03-05-2017, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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The 2nd amendment says that since an armed, disciplined population is necessary for security in a free country, the right of normal people to KBA cannot be restricted.

This is clearly a flat ban on any govt in the country making any law restricting our ability to purchase, own, and carry a gun. Yet a number of governments (Federal, State, local) have made laws restricting exactly those things.

What should we obey? The 2nd amendment? Or the government officials making the "gun control" laws?
Are you a member of a well regulated militia?
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Old 03-05-2017, 09:41 PM
 
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The Second is clear.
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Old 03-05-2017, 09:42 PM
 
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Are you a member of a well regulated militia?
Irrelevant. It's the people that have the right.
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Old 03-05-2017, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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The 2nd amendment says that since an armed, disciplined population is necessary for security in a free country, the right of normal people to KBA cannot be restricted.

This is clearly a flat ban on any govt in the country making any law restricting our ability to purchase, own, and carry a gun. Yet a number of governments (Federal, State, local) have made laws restricting exactly those things.

What should we obey? The 2nd amendment? Or the government officials making the "gun control" laws?
The Constitution rules, but we have a huge problem in an age when our Supreme Court ignores what the Constitution actually says and instead pushes an activist Progressive far-left agenda. Remember when our Supreme Court decided that Washington could legally require you to purchase health insurance from a for-profit corporation? And very recently, it shot down Trump's temporary hold on immigration from certain nations--which is clearly and undoubtedly within the President's official powers.

The Constitution was supposed to protect us from the rise of totalitarian government, but we have already seen how easily it can be dismantled to serve Big Government: note the imposition of income tax in 1913, and payroll withholding at the beginning of WWII. That last thing was the death-knell of freedom in this nation, since a federal government that can steal the wages of the Working Class will inevitably grow until every memory of freedom is wiped out. And if every gun owner is forced to "register" their guns, the next step (confiscation) is both easy and inevitable.
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Old 03-05-2017, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Originally Posted by Roboteer View Post
The 2nd amendment says that since an armed, disciplined population is necessary for security in a free country, the right of normal people to KBA cannot be restricted.

This is clearly a flat ban on any govt in the country making any law restricting our ability to purchase, own, and carry a gun. Yet a number of governments (Federal, State, local) have made laws restricting exactly those things.

What should we obey? The 2nd amendment? Or the government officials making the "gun control" laws?
The Constitution is vague on many things. It says nothing about whether felons have the right for guns, for instance, or whether a machine gun or an RPG is a protected weapon. So in steps SCOTUS. We reply upon them to interpret these things. For good or bad, we all have to respect what they say. That is how it works as per the Constitution.
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Old 03-05-2017, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The Constitution rules, but we have a huge problem in an age when our Supreme Court ignores what the Constitution actually says and instead pushes an activist Progressive far-left agenda. Remember when our Supreme Court decided that Washington could legally require you to purchase health insurance from a for-profit corporation? And very recently, it shot down Trump's temporary hold on immigration from certain nations--which is clearly and undoubtedly within the President's official powers.

The Constitution was supposed to protect us from the rise of totalitarian government, but we have already seen how easily it can be dismantled to serve Big Government: note the imposition of income tax in 1913, and payroll withholding at the beginning of WWII. That last thing was the death-knell of freedom in this nation, since a federal government that can steal the wages of the Working Class will inevitably grow until every memory of freedom is wiped out. And if every gun owner is forced to "register" their guns, the next step (confiscation) is both easy and inevitable.
If your interpretation held true, we'd all be a nation of shoeless rural bumpkins trying to trade corn from the south 40 for 5 lbs of sugar and a bag of beans.
I suppose that when we came off the gold standard we entered the world of hell on earth also and complete loss of personal freedom too.

All you're really saying is you don't agree with the rulings of the SCOTUS.
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Old 03-05-2017, 10:00 PM
 
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The courts are the law... in the end it comes down to those enforcing the law deciding to enforce it or not.. a very grey area.

It's kind of like smoking marijuana... half the gun owners in my town do it, even though it's illegal.. some laws just get ignored. If anyone asks, you lost your guns in a boating accident. In any case nobody in South Dakota is going to hand in their guns... trying to "ban" them is a lost cause.. they'll just start a civil war.

More likely they'll go after the ammo.. you can have dozens of guns but if no retailer stocks ammo you are SOL.

Courts do not MAKE LAW or they are not supposed to.
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Old 03-05-2017, 10:01 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Here are the sheep I was talking about. They will do what they are told.
Not me! I'm an independent thinker who will do what I want to do! You an Me, BRO!

Here's a picture of my house.
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Old 03-05-2017, 10:01 PM
 
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The Constitution is vague on many things. It says nothing about whether felons have the right for guns, for instance, or whether a machine gun or an RPG is a protected weapon. So in steps SCOTUS. We reply upon them to interpret these things. For good or bad, we all have to respect what they say. That is how it works as per the Constitution.
The only time Constitutional rights are not rights is when they violate the rights of others.

Speech is a right up until it violates the rights of others. The same with firearms.

Do I have the right to own a .50 caliber machine gun? Yes. Do I have the right to fire 1,000 rounds up in the air from my suburban backyard? No, because those bullets will come back down on the property of others and most likely do some sort of damage infringing upon their rights.
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Old 03-05-2017, 10:05 PM
 
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I suppose that when we came off the gold standard we entered the world of hell on earth also and complete loss of personal freedom too.
The fact that you don't understand what going to fiat currency did to everyday Americans while greatly enriching Wall Street and big banks is just sad.
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