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Old 03-06-2017, 08:05 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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People in the US probably don't hear much about this, but here in Europe there is so much trouble with Turkey now, a regular conflict between the EU, particularly Germany, and Turkey.

Really, I don't understand it. Turkey was booming up until just a few years ago, it was a kind of role model for the Muslim world, an upcoming tiger, educated Europeans of Turkish ethnicity were moving back to Turkey, founding companies etc.
Then all of a sudden and without any reason I know of, president Erdogan started his authoritarian backwards culture revolution, undoing much of the previous progress and the reasons for that progress. Meanwhile the indicators for the country are all down, investments is down, educated people are trying to emigrate, instability of all sorts is on the rise.

Is there anything one can learn from that mess in order to prevent the same from happening in other countries? I do see certain similarities between Erdogan's character and that of people like Putin and Trump, for instance. Turkey also had what was considered a solid democracy, but somehow Erdogan managed to wear it down without violating the law/constitution if I am not mistaken. (I am no expert on Turkey, mind you.)
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Turkey is emblematic of what is going on world wide. Authoritarian nationalism and religious prejudice are sweeping the globe and the US in no exception. What remains to be seen is how long it will be till it runs its course and what will be left of western democracy when it ends.
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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Turkey is emblematic of what is going on world wide. Authoritarian nationalism and religious prejudice are sweeping the globe and the US in no exception. What remains to be seen is how long it will be till it runs its course and what will be left of western democracy when it ends.
hopefully we don't get lead into another World War because of it....of course it's the whole reason place like the UN exist, to keep nations in dialogue and to help cooler heads prevail....but of course the steeple attack it as "other" and "globalist" and other countries as "not paying their fair share".
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:11 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Erdogan cleverly destroyed Turkey's secular status by staging false flag terrorist attacks (which he blamed on "Kurdish nationalists") and using that as an excuse to grab more and more power over the years. It's very sad what happened with Turkey, they have gone from a more or less totally secular state (since Ataturk in the 1920s) to something on the verge of becoming Iran-lite.

Like Ponderosa said, a wave of authoritarian and religious/ethnic nationalism is sweeping across the world. Eventually I fear that the powder keg is going to blow and there will be some sort of war. IMO the best thing that could happen is if people in the US and Western Europe take a breath and step back from the brink. People like Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, Petry, etc will only make things worse, they play right into the hands of Islamic fundamentalists. And then we have Putin exploiting all these tensions specifically to weaken the West and allow him to resurrect the old Russian Empire of the Tsarist era.

Folks, we're headed for some dark times ... and I am afraid they are only beginning
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Old 03-06-2017, 10:51 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Thinking about it, maybe the problem is that despite democracy we still elect one person to head government and thus basically the country, no matter whether it's a president or a prime minister. And although elected, they are still little kings using executive orders and other tricks to enforce their own views, often against the will of a part of the population. Many Turks for instance don't support Erdogan, but there is not much they can do about it. The opposition and the press are being oppressed and persecuted, like in any old dictatorship.
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Old 04-16-2017, 05:03 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Seems that a slim majority of Turks has voted in favor of basically giving up parliamentary democracy in favor of a king-like president. The referendum results were close, about 51 to 49%. In terms of demographics there is a certain similarity to the last US election. The big Turkish cities voted no, but the more rural population slightly outnumbered city folks.

Interestingly, the percentage of "undemocratic" Turks was much higher among Turks living in Germany, where the result was 63 to 37%.

But due to the close outcome and already confirmed irregularities, votes will likely have to be recounted.
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:05 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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This trend will continue as islam spreads.
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Erdogan wants to be like Vladimir putin. Enough said.
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Erdogan cleverly destroyed Turkey's secular status by staging false flag terrorist attacks (which he blamed on "Kurdish nationalists") and using that as an excuse to grab more and more power over the years. It's very sad what happened with Turkey, they have gone from a more or less totally secular state (since Ataturk in the 1920s) to something on the verge of becoming Iran-lite.

Like Ponderosa said, a wave of authoritarian and religious/ethnic nationalism is sweeping across the world. Eventually I fear that the powder keg is going to blow and there will be some sort of war. IMO the best thing that could happen is if people in the US and Western Europe take a breath and step back from the brink. People like Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, Petry, etc will only make things worse, they play right into the hands of Islamic fundamentalists. And then we have Putin exploiting all these tensions specifically to weaken the West and allow him to resurrect the old Russian Empire of the Tsarist era.

Folks, we're headed for some dark times ... and I am afraid they are only beginning
It's bound to happen in a place of such upheaval as the Middle East.
For Turkey, the fear of the nearby wars and the disruption of those societies is both a way to strengthen their own power, military and economical, and increases their ability to use them to their benefit as a nation.

The same is exactly true with Iran, the other big, powerful nation in the area with a large sophisticated population. Both are first-word nations in a third-world area, so their struggles for dominance will be going on for a long time, sometimes running hot, sometimes running cold.

And it's bound to become more complicated with the rise of some of the Eastern African nations, just a hop and a skip over a very narrow gulf across the way. In relative terms, that entire region is pretty small and crowded, with a lot of very high competition for everything in it.
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Old 04-16-2017, 07:15 PM
 
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Fundamentalist Islam happened.
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