Ben Carson Calls Slaves Immigrants (generations, death, rating, murder)

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by Seacove

I would call them hostages, not immigrants. They were considered property, not human.

How many dictionaries, reputable, include voluntarily in their definition of immigrant?

Please post links.

[PullMyFinger]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

Let's break this down:



First, were slaves people? Other than white supremacists and some liberals, the general consensus is yes.

Second, did they come to the US to live permanently? For the vast majority, yes.

Third, was the US a foreign country for them? Once again, for the vast majority, yes.

So, unless you feel slaves weren't people (klan and some liberals), the definition fits exactly.

I think we agree. I definitely consider the slaves immigrants because they were given full citizenship after the Civil War. If Abe Lincoln would have made it illegal for them to stay and deported them, then they would have not been immigrants. I think it's pretty simple.

If I was descended from slaves I would spend a lot less time whining and crying about it and more time being thankful for my ancestors for toughing out their situation and giving me a chance at being an American.

I mean the alternative in Africa is not great.

[Casper in Dallas]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

How many dictionaries, reputable, include voluntarily in their definition of immigrant?

Please post links.

They all use the term Come, the slaves did not Come here, they were dragged here.

[Casper in Dallas]

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

I could give a rat's a$$ what you think of me with your high morality guilt trip.


the feeling is mutual how we feel about each other.

Good we understand each other. We are done here, Period. Works for me.

[PullMyFinger]

Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas

They all use the term Come, the slaves did not Come here, they were dragged here.

So what? They ended up being immigrants. Why is it so difficult? Maybe Ben Carson just wants people to MOVE ON and GET OVER IT.

[Casper in Dallas]

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger

Did the slaves immigrate to America or not? Simple question.

Nope.

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas

They all use the term Come, the slaves did not Come here, they were dragged here.

Which really sounds more like hostages. Inhuman hostages because they were considered property.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas

They all use the term Come, the slaves did not Come here, they were dragged here.

So now you're going to double down and try to change the definition of another word.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/come

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger

I think we agree. I definitely consider the slaves immigrants because they were given full citizenship after the Civil War. If Abe Lincoln would have made it illegal for them to stay and deported them, then they would have not been immigrants. I think it's pretty simple.

If I was descended from slaves I would spend a lot less time whining and crying about it and more time being thankful for my ancestors for toughing out their situation and giving me a chance at being an American.

I mean the alternative in Africa is not great.

Really? I've never read any accounts of Africans wanting to leave their home. They always had to be kidnapped.

Sounds to me like they liked the "alternative."

[PullMyFinger]

Originally Posted by Seacove

Which really sounds more like hostages. Inhuman hostages because they were considered property.

Would it have been better if Abe Lincoln had sent them back to Africa with an apology and maybe a financial settlement?