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I thought it was 41 million. Liberals cant even get the numbers right.
and those who got "coverage" tell me how they could afford the deductibles that skyrocketed???
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Originally Posted by don1945
Tell that to the 21 million people who finally had health coverage, or people who had pre existing conditions. I bet they would disagree.
Not most, probably more like half of working Americans. The median wage earner in the US makes $13/hr, and as someone who had a job paying that a few years ago, there was no employer provided insurance.
The 62 to 65 demographic is employed at higher wages and more likely to have employer provided health insurance. I do much better now than when I was 20.
The quality and amount of expense covered by health care should be proportional to what the person put in the system. If the person is poor, then the healthcare quality should be lower. Throughout human history, the quality of healthcare coverage has been proportional to the person's wealth. Why should it be any different in the modern world. People live longer than they did 100 years ago. The poor should be happy they live longer and have superior healthcare than did 100 years ago, but they shouldn't expect the same quality as the richer citizens. Even in socialist countries that theoretically can provide healthcare coverage to all, there is a long waiting list. A wealthier person can afford better healthcare coverage, which provide superior healthcare. Essentially, what the poor want is equal access to healthcare that is comparable to the middle, upper, and rich class. That will probably never happen. Historically that has never happened.
By quality of healthcare, I'm referring to the speed, experience of doctors, access to medicine, specialist, and treatment. My father knew a person who was a drunk and would never spend any of his money on healthcare and instead relied on government healthcare. When his wife got sick, he took her to the doctor ,but the doctors took too long to properly diagnostic her condition. She died in the hospital. The government healthcare system requires, if I'm not mistake, for patients to be tested and confirmed results before a specialist is recommended. She died while being tested. This man wife would probably had been saved had the doctors were more experience and more liberal on recommending a specialist instead of following procedures. If you pay out your own pocket things are done quickly. Government healthcare isn't very good. In some socialist governments that provide healthcare people have to wait years to get an operation. I'm certain people die while waiting for an operation.
You can't have it all. The government will eventually have to reduce welfare, military, government spending, or find a way to reduce healthcare cost in order to provide quality healthcare. It does no good if people are given free healthcare that requires the patient to wait obscene amount of time before treatment.
I don't think the current GOP proposal isn't anymore better than obamacare. Merely changes the benefactors from poor and seniors to young healthy workers.
Social darwinism belongs in the dustbin of history.
All insurance is based on the premise that many people are paying in that may not be directly benefitting. Every year you pay into life insurance and don't die, you're subsidizing beneficiaries of the dead. One day you will be the one who dies, the one who has a car accident, the one who gets sick, and others will be subsidizing you.
I thought it was 41 million. Liberals cant even get the numbers right.
and those who got "coverage" tell me how they could afford the deductibles that skyrocketed???
Where have you seen that 41 million people were added under ACA? I've never heard that number.
To use the Marxist phrase "line his pockets" doesn't apply to the President.
He has more money than he'll ever need before taking office, unlike your boy Obama, or Harry Reid.
All becoming wealthy after entering politics.
You lose!
Oh, right. Trump has more money that he'll ever need. I suppose that's why he doubled the fee to join Mar a Lago, then, huh?
I think I'll root for people to get screwed because those most at risk, poor, rural, and poorly educated are never going to learn unless they feel the consequences of their actions. Voting for Trump has consequences.
Isn't that a bit heartless? I don't wish hardship on anyone, but you are right about one thing - some people have to learn things the hard way. That is becoming very obvious this time around. I question that these people are going to change their mind anytime soon, even if they do get screwed. The power of populism can't be denied, after all they voted for Trump even when it was crystal clear to the majority of the voting public that he was a disaster in almost every way. Even those that voted for him knew they were rolling the dice.
Looks like Trump does not really care about his supporters the way he claimed he did.
Trumpcare will hurt his supporters a lot more and will hurt red states more than blue ones too. Mostly if you are older, poorer or just not earning much you will lose. And Trump has already come out and said this is a great bill......
Isn't that a bit heartless? I don't wish hardship on anyone, but you are right about one thing - some people have to learn things the hard way. That is becoming very obvious this time around. I question that these people are going to change their mind anytime soon, even if they do get screwed. The power of populism can't be denied, after all they voted for Trump even when it was crystal clear to the majority of the voting public that he was a disaster in almost every way. Even those that voted for him knew they were rolling the dice.
They were willing to roll the dice as opposed to voting for the known. You don't seem to be able to grasp that you are condemning people for things you refuse to do yourself.
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