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Just because there were southerners not wealthy enough to own slaves didn't mean there weren't sympathizers. Slavery shaped the economy and the way of life in the South in antebellum times. It was preached in the South's churches and politicians supported slavery.
Even if many were too poor to own slaves, there were those who sought to be slave owners. I have historic research to back it up. Yes, there was a desire for self-governing. A big part of it was due to the desire to keep slavery.
I can't ask my ancestors nor can you why each of them risked their lives to fight for the North or the South as they have been dead for almost 200 years. But, you know my southern ancestors "sought to be slave owners", therefore the statues of Southern military men who died in the Civil Ware are bad, 'cause they are, 'cause they were Southerners, 'cause they were white. I think you and people like you who destroy history are ignorant and exacerbate hatred between the races.
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I can't ask my ancestors nor can you why each of them risked their lives to fight for the North or the South as they have been dead for almost 200 years. But, you know my southern ancestors "sought to be slave owners", therefore the statues of Southern military men who died in the Civil Ware are bad, 'cause they are, 'cause they were Southerners, 'cause they were white. I think you and people like you who destroy history are ignorant and exacerbate hatred between the races.
This is what I know: The bottom line. The bottom line is what counts. I know what I read. I know what historical facts say. That is what is the most important. The facts show the bottom line of what the Confederate cause was about. I have links to show the proof. What I ask of you is to refute anything I have said. The facts count the most for me.
And race relations were already bad. That is why Confederates found such a place of honor. They started getting alot of honor during the early parts of the Jim Crow era.
This is what I know: The bottom line. The bottom line is what counts. I know what I read. I know what historical facts say. That is what is the most important. What I ask of you is to refute anything I have said. The facts count the most for me.
You feel very self-righteous to erase my Southern history and my ancestors, don't you? You haven't provided a single quote or fact from any of my ancestors to back up anything you've asserted. To the victors go the spoils....and the rights to frame the narrative. To assume the South will let our history be usurped and denigrated by PC historians may be premature. I am too old to care very much other than to pass on my family letters and family history to my kids. How they respond is up to them. I hope they fight the PC historians like hell, however. We have a very rich history.
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Slavery was wrong. No one denies that. Most Southerners who died fighting for the South weren't wealthy enough to own slaves but wanted to be self-governing. Still an issue today.
The Northern states wrote the narrative for the Civil War as all victors do.
You might've missed this one. The seceding States were not going to be self governing.
And the "Lost Cause" narrative is one of the few situations where the losers have been allowed to fabricate their own narrative. The problem is that for the most part it's not founded in truth, there is so much evidence from the Confederates themselves that refute the sanitized motives of Secession we keep hearing about today.
I will fully admit, when I married my Southern wife, I began to accept the Lost Cause ideology as truth. I felt like I was in on some secret club, a way to rebel against my formal education. But that's just it, as soon as I began to dig I realized what a farce it all is. It's fake history.
And the "Lost Cause" narrative is one of the few situations where the losers have been allowed to fabricate their own narrative. The problem is that for the most part it's not founded in truth, there is so much evidence from the Confederates themselves that refute the sanitized motives of Secession we keep hearing about today.
I will fully admit, when I married my Southern wife, I began to accept the Lost Cause ideology as truth. I felt like I was in on some secret club, a way to rebel against my formal education. But that's just it, as soon as I began to dig I realized what a farce it all is. It's fake history.
Fake history. I should say.
Documents from the time were clear that the Civil War was fought to defend slave owners "right" to own slave.
This was spun into a noble rebellion tale complete with statues and re-enactments.
The craziness of this whole thread is many of the Confederate Generals did serve with distinction with the Union Army and fought in the Indian wars and the Mexican conflict of 1846.
The Civil War was about State Rights and the North Intentional lowering Cotton process.
The Slave issue was actually not a big Concern and Preserving the Union was the First Concern.
Institutional & race-based enslavement was the only "indispensable and essential action, condition, or ingredient" "without which the War would not have been".
Immediately before the War, the 36th Congress reviewed more than 200 resolutions with respect to slavery, including introducing 57 resolutions proposing constitutional amendments. Many or most of those represented compromises designed to avert military conflict.
The assertion institutional & race-based enslavement would've ended voluntarily is thoroughly refuted by the realities of that time & place.
The 'Lost Cause' is not historically correct, it's politically correct. It has enabled the 'Cold War' conditions between former CSA States & USA States to exist for at least a century after the CSA surrendered. They may have surrendered the War, however they continued the battle for white supremacy for more than a century. It's no coincidence white supremacists have adopted the divisive symbolism.
Sure it was about states' rights, the rights for states to have slavery. Slavery was a very big deal. The South was afraid of seeing it go, and felt that secession was the only way to preserve such an institution. We have proof in the Articles of Secession. Slavery is mentioned many times in that document. Confederate Constitution was drafted with a clause protecting the right of having slaves. Anyone who says slavery had little to do with it is lying and should never be trusted.
And personally, those Confederate generals should have been tried for treason, period.
Well I can see you have no regard for History and the importance of such. The other little dirty Secret is their were Black Slave Owners that were very rich from the work if his own kind.
It is part of our History that we lost many Americans in this conflict and the loses were large. There should be a remembrance of those events good or bad, so we do not repeat and anther Civil War.
My question is , why should we take statue down just because some people feelings are hurt, I'm insulted by the socialist mlk statue but I guarantee its not coming down even though 70 percent are insulted by it
Well I can see you have no regard for History and the importance of such. The other little dirty Secret is their were Black Slave Owners that were very rich from the work if his own kind.
It is part of our History that we lost many Americans in this conflict and the loses were large. There should be a remembrance of those events good or bad, so we do not repeat and anther Civil War.
The best way to avoid the repetition is to recognize the moral bankruptcy of the economic system that supported the South. That doesn't happen in an environment of hero worship of the leaders of the Confederacy.
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