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Apply for a visa to dig ditches? Lay cement? Pack chicken into cans for minimum wage? Good one!
Some have been here for years, packing that chicken, with kids, family, making a living such as it is, good enough for them, working in any case, not raping anyone or murdering anyone...
"The "deport them all" crowd are considered awfully militaristic and inhumane in some respects, mostly just impractical and unthinking, ultimately pretty well ignorant about all they fear or concern themselves with when it comes to immigrants, legal or illegal.
But hey, when you've got an axe to grind no matter the justification, and someone like Trump to lead the way, we end up "cutting our nose to spite our face." How about we go after real rapists and murderers instead?
Oh boo hoo is that too much? Tough!
If it is too much to ask them to apply for a Visa here, then obviously there are better opportunities in Mexico for them right?
So what is the problem?
Wait.. there isn't?
hmm...
Time to get the hip waders, the BS is getting thick.
I'm all for a new visa category for low-skilled workers by the way. Just go back to your home country, apply, get vetted and come in. Pay taxes. Break the law? One-way ticket back home. That's how it's supposed to work.
When I consider the negatives you are concerned about as compared to the rest of our problems, you might as well be asking me to worry about the color of a house instead of the fact that it is on fire...
Maybe it is "greedy employers" who benefit from access to an abundant inexpensive source of labor, but as I have explained more than a few times as a result of owning and operating an employment agency, a great many of these minimum wage jobs go unfilled if not filled by Hispanic Americans, legal to work in America, as I was responsible to verify. They, however, are not enough to fill all the jobs or do all the work, especially in a growing economy...
Top 20 Occupations* # of Immigrant
Workers in the US
Illegally Total # of All
Workers % of Immigrants
in the US Illegally
in Total Work Force
1. Brickmasons, blockmasons, and stonemasons 131,000 325,000 40%
2. Drywall installers, ceiling tile installers and tapers 94,000 255,000 37%
3. Roofers 76,000 246,000 31%
4. Miscellaneous agricultural workers 269,000 910,000 30%
5. Helpers, construction trades 52,000 184,000 28%
6. Dishwashers 101,000 364,000 28%
7. Construction laborers 556,000 2,055,000 27%
8. Maids and housekeepers 417,000 1,555,000 27%
9. Cement Masons, concrete finishers, and terrazzo workers 29,000 109,000 27%
10. Packaging and filling machine operators and tenders 96,000 369,000 26%
11. Grounds maintenance workers 356,000 1,413,000 25%
12. Packers and packagers, hand 119,000 504,000 24%
13. Butchers, poultry and fish processing workers 71,000 305,000 23%
14. Carpet, floor, and tile installers and finishers 68,000 306,000 22%
15. Painters, construction and maintenance 173,000 791,000 22%
16. Parking lot attendants 21,000 100,000 21%
17. Chefs and head cooks 75,000 377,000 20%
18. Sewing machine operators 49,000 248,000 20%
19. Refuse and recyclable material collectors 22,000 112,000 19%
20. Cooks 427,000 2,219,000 19%
Maybe you and others don't recognize what benefit you/we gain from this labor pool, and no doubt it is more for some than others, but try getting your roof fixed or motel room cleaned or food packed or just pick from the list above and consider when and where you too have benefitted before complaining TOO much about these people filling in where others don't. Let's at least not refer to them as "rapists and murderers" to add insult to injury. Fair?
Also let me ask you. Do you know ANYONE who would like to wash dishes or pack meat or be a roofer who can't get that work? Can't or won't?
You have some good points, but they need to come in on an H2 visa. The H2A program is a visa system that lets foreign workers temporarily work in the U.S. on ranches, farms, nurseries and greenhouses legally. The companies must first try to recruit U.S. workers.
If it is too much to ask them to apply for a Visa here, then obviously there are better opportunities in Mexico for them right?
So what is the problem?
Wait.. there isn't?
hmm...
Time to get the hip waders, the BS is getting thick.
Wait for it people, the spin is about to come!
Lots of silliness here I don't well know how to wade through, but getting past all the "boo hoo" type rhetoric, I'm not pushing any BS. Again, I used to own and operate a staffing agency that put literally thousands of minimum wage workers to work, and simply providing I.D. and filling out an application for such work is challenge enough. Going the path of getting a work visa is typically more for farming, where larger employers request large numbers of farm workers to work seasonally picking fruits and vegetables, not ditch diggers or that work would simply not get done! If that's "BS" to you, then why not find a subject or topic you know something about?
Hmm, take your hip waders and hip wade to waters you can navigate with at least some experience or knowledge, please...
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) may approve petitions for H-2A nonimmigrant status only for individuals from certain countries designated annually by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Department of State (DOS). Individuals from other countries are allowed only if determined to be in the U.S. interest. For the year 2013, DHS has identified 59 countries eligible to participate in the H-2A program. Even though dozens of potential source countries are on the authorized list, more than 90% of H-2A workers are from Mexico.
So these non-American workers come here legally to work, and family comes to visit, and stay, and the work gets done while not all that much time, effort or concern goes into running down and deporting all who stay too long, or go the way of digging ditches, painting houses, fixing roofs and laying floors. Why? Because they're here to work (not murder or rape anyone), and that work is paid by American employers and private citizens who like having their plumbing problem fixed, concrete laid, fence erected, dishes washed and house cleaned today, not a month from now...
The big wall is a very big misguided divisive and expensive solution looking for a REAL problem.
Or, consider this issue from other than a labor/economic standpoint, and Trump and his supporters have their fun.
Solution, realistically and from a practical standpoint is either a) be serious about holding American businesses and private citizens responsible for hiring illegal labor, emphasis on serious (ain't going to happen for more than a few obvious reasons), and/or b) broaden the work visa labor pool to include more from those same approved countries to work those other jobs that the American labor pool can't fill or get done (mostly because they don't want that work). Work typically done by illegal workers who pose no national security threat but rather the back bone of all that minimum labor work that we utilize, pay for, benefit from privately, demonize publicly, like Trump has done like no other POTUS ever...
Illegal, but pervasive. A "problem" to some but not for everyone. A "gateway" drug leading to a fast path to an O.D. for some, a drug no different than alcohol all considered for others. So what happens? The laws are essentially ignored BY AMERICANS and/or the use of marijuana is kept behind closed doors -- pretty much everywhere -- until..., slowly but surely it gets legalized. Walls and laws are not always the most sensible or practical ways to address these "problems," as change almost always surely demonstrates over time.
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) may approve petitions for H-2A nonimmigrant status only for individuals from certain countries designated annually by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Department of State (DOS). Individuals from other countries are allowed only if determined to be in the U.S. interest. For the year 2013, DHS has identified 59 countries eligible to participate in the H-2A program. Even though dozens of potential source countries are on the authorized list, more than 90% of H-2A workers are from Mexico.
So these non-American workers come here legally to work, and family comes to visit, and stay, and the work gets done while not all that much time, effort or concern goes into running down and deporting all who stay too long, or go the way of digging ditches, painting houses, fixing roofs and laying floors. Why? Because they're here to work (not murder or rape anyone), and that work is paid by American employers and private citizens who like having their plumbing problem fixed, concrete laid, fence erected, dishes washed and house cleaned today, not a month from now...
The big wall is a very big misguided divisive and expensive solution looking for a REAL problem.
Or, consider this issue from other than a labor/economic standpoint, and Trump and his supporters have their fun.
Solution, realistically and from a practical standpoint is either a) be serious about holding American businesses and private citizens responsible for hiring illegal labor, emphasis on serious (ain't going to happen for more than a few obvious reasons), and/or b) broaden the work visa labor pool to include more from those same approved countries to work those other jobs that the American labor pool can't fill or get done (mostly because they don't want that work). Work typically done by illegal workers who pose no national security threat but rather the back bone of all that minimum labor work that we utilize, pay for, benefit from privately, demonize publicly, like Trump has done like no other POTUS ever...
Illegal aliens only benefit their greedy employers while the rest of us pick up the tab of $113 billion a year for their social costs. There is no shortage of American blue-collared workers willing to work for a fair wage. They were already doing those jobs before millions of cheap illegal flooded our border. Law breakers should be demonized whether foreign or domestic.
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