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In other words you say I should not count on looming worker shortages (as predicted by industry groups) to do anything for my income? What about supply and demand you were talking about? shortages are real, supply and demand is not, as they would rather lose money waiting for a victim of circumstances than bump wages a little (per Economics 101). My boss is a faceless fortune 500 corp, my immediate boss, and even his boss has no power over my income. But you invite me to believe the rest of economics 101 bs? There are no individual solutions to systematic problems (as in humongous power and thus income imballance between different social groups). Rightwing thought encourages working class folks to commit individual escapes from the working class (or blame themselves), this sort of slave conditioning is probably the biggest travesty in the recent American history, it sets us up for very nasty future.
I'm sorry, how do you explain that a doctor makes more than a janitor again?
For all of you those big on Public Care, here are some other facts:
Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12] - See more at: 10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care | NCPA
Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] [See the table.] - See more at: 10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care | NCPA
Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8] - See more at: 10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care | NCPA
Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher. - See more at: 10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care | NCPA
I'm sorry, how do you explain that a doctor makes more than a janitor again?
So you say supply and demand works for doctors and not for janitors as far as boosting wages? That is why they import legals and illegals to do janitorial work instead of unleashing the free market goodness on janitorial occupation raising the wages to attract more workers? At the same time supply of doctors is tightly controlled both by government and by medical biz? Why they didnt play supply and demand on doctors instead of janitors? Very educated people can be forced to work for janitorial wages, see Universities and research biz employing hordes of ph.d.s with janitorial level compensation. Who have made those decisions, please do not free market me on that, there are very specific interest groups and even people with proper names making those decisions. Surprise, surprise those people do not mop the floors. Again and again you refuse to notice that Economics 101 rests on the shoulders of a master slave societal relationships rooted in the powerlessness of many and super powers of some.
Yes, society does determine it. Even in communist ones. You think some worker comes before a high level politician in those countries?
Lol. How naive you are.
We are not all equal. Some people are worth more kept alive. And that's part of life, I'm sorry that it sounds so cold.
Absolutely - my country has the single payer model, and the thought that a politician can jump the queue is absurd. No one would tolerate it, and the system is too transparent to hide that
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I guess you can try reading it.
While I was talking about the NHS in other posts, that post had nothing to do with.
I simply stated a truism. 2 people compete for a doctor's service. Who gets to decide who gets served? The doctor or the government.
I vote the doctor 100% of the time. Some of you want the government to step in, because well you didn't make enough for the doctor to select you.
You go to another doctor -that's what happens here. Doctor's decide who gets treated, not government.
So you say supply and demand works for doctors and not for janitors as far as boosting wages?
I'm saying it works for both.
There are many more people that can be a janitor than can be a doctor. Janitor is a low skill job.
I hire maids to clean my properties, and the organization I go through basically charges me more for the more attractive maids, because in truth, their skills and work is not very variably. I even get to see them in bikinis before I hire them. This is for maids keep in mind
If you don't have skills that set you apart, you're expendable. That's a cold hard fact. You can blame capitalism if you like, but I would focus on improving myself and not blaming capitalism.
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There is many more people that can be a janitor than can be a doctor. Janitor is a low skill job.
I hire maids to clean my properties, and the organization I go through basically charges me more for the more attractive maids, because in truth, their skills and work is not very variably. I even get to see them in bikinis before I hire them. This is for maids keep in mind
If you don't have skills that set you apart, you're expendable. That's a cold hard fact. You can blame capitalism if you like, but I would focus on improving myself and not blaming capitalism.
It does not work for janitors at all. Relative scarcity of people willing to do janitorial jobs at $8/hr did not lead to the wages soaring much above the minimum wage. Again, you refused to consider the fact that supply of doctors is tightly regulated, while non regulated Ph.D.s, forget janitors, with unique skills of their own are much less financially blessed witha good chunk of those making less than high school janitors actually. Who have made those decisions? Who does decide on value of your skills? Names, please. Only slaves would buy into your rationalization. People do dont sell their skills, they sell their much unique and dear lives. Free people must be coerced into unequal exchanges. Why dont you try your rationale on a few surviving Amazonian tribes. Say something like, "I am so unique and valued, why dont you unskilled expendables work 30 days a month to serve my needs for every hour of my time", I would not count on your unique life under that scenario. It took mighty bloody evolution for people to be coerced into what we have. Those born into it dont even think how "unnatural" and coercive the freest system actually is.
Absolute BS. Try getting any care without insurance. Unless you are closer to death they will just shrug you off and hound you with bills. You have to be basically in an immediate life threatening situation to receive any kind of meaninful help, not necessary competent or helpful, and at that point it is too late in many cases. If you count on hospital generocity, see a shrink asap, you live in a delusionary world.
I agree with you and it's unfortunate. I think people don't know what it means to be human beings anymore and do their job. If I was a doctor I'd try to help as many people as I can. I don't have the passion for the field though unfortunately and I don't believe enough in allopathy.
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Only if it is an emergency, even then they tend to do the minimum if there is no insurance. Ive seen them choose treatment based on insurance status. If you present with non-emergency they tell you to make an appointment with a doctor.
Actually it gets worse. They make you wait hours and hours just to tell you they can't do anything for you.
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Yes, society does determine it. Even in communist ones. You think some worker comes before a high level politician in those countries?
Lol. How naive you are.
We are not all equal. Some people are worth more kept alive. And that's part of life, I'm sorry that it sounds so cold.
I wouldn't pay one dollar for Trump or his services. If I did believe in killing people he'd be the first to go and I'd adopt Barron if I had to (or find someone else to) His life means something as a human being but that's all. He's worth as much as my poor father because they act the same. The only reason he's rich is because he got lucky.
Also it's that kind of mentality that makes people out of work suicidal. Sometimes the poorest people are the most valuable people. Take into consideration that rich people aren't always born rich. Jim Carrey lived out of his car before he got big. Was he worth less when he lived out of his car as a human being? No he just didn't find his calling yet.
My grandma was never rich. She made average amount of money and she was the best worker I know. Her baking and her sewing was top quality and I don't just say that because she was my grandma. She was also rich in character. Everyone who knew her loved her. Real people don't care how much money you make. Only ignorant ones do.
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Worth only exists in the context of societies. Afterall, you're asking society to control who has access to healthcare. Guess what.
According to nature, none of us are worth anything alive or dead.
You are the most depressing person I've encountered in a long time and that's saying a lot because I've lived with depression for several years.
If that's true why are you even here? Why are you even posting? You're not worth anything so what's the point?
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No one cares how much someone works, people care about the net result.
If I hire a contractor to re-do my kitchen, the quicker he does it the better, my main concern is how the job looks.
Many times how hard someone works effects the net result. Think about it if you're not doing your best are you going to provide as good a service?
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