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Old 03-16-2017, 08:28 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You seem unaware of the fact that America has been at war for 224 of its 231 years of existence and most recently @ 15 years continuous.
Doesn't say much for the efforts of the state dept does it?
Sure it does, it says they don't have the same lobby strength($$$) as the MIC.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:33 AM
 
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Wow 2 can play this game.

And how exactly does spending $150,000,000 on private luxury villas in Afghanistan, a $7000 coffee maker, losing $500,000,000 in weapons in Yemen, $700,000,000 for gem cutters in Afghanistan, and wasting millions on unecessary uniforms help keep America safe? Yet we choose to increase spending on that department, and it is a far, far bigger waster of tax payer dollars than the EPA. Look, I have no problem with oversight and clamping down on wasteful and outrageous spending like the chairs you mention, but there's a big difference between that and throwing the baby out with the bathwater. EPA programs also help keep billion dollar industries such as oyster harvesting alone in the Chesapeake afloat. Say good bye to jobs once the Chesapeake becomes a polluted craphole like it was back in the 70s and 80s. If you want to get upset about wasteful spending, there's no better place to start than the military.



$37 screws, a $7,622 coffee maker, $640 toilet seats; : suppliers to our military just won't be oversold - latimes

Pentagon Posh: U.S. Spent $150 Million on Luxury Villas in Afghanistan | The Fiscal Times

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.c5fa7af93af6

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/more-t...224500678.html

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2013...tfits-gao-says
I'm against the DOD getting an increase. From a few minutes earlier:

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No department should receive an increase.
And, if you look at my history, you'll find plenty of posts where I say we need to cut military spending.

Ok, now can you tell me how buying really expensive furniture helps the environment?
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Regulation driven technology advances are the best thing that ever happened to the automobile. Remember carbs, bias tires, lousy mileage, poor handling, poor lighting, unsafe at any speed? Today's cars are the best they have ever been by a wide, wide margin. Maybe we would have gotten here without government regs, but it would have taken much longer.
yep. Housing and electrical codes are good example of why you need some government regulation in place. They result in a better final product that is better for the end user. If anything I think they haven't gone far enough with regulation and they should ban low grade, builder grade cheap items that aren't rated to a certain lifespan.

Liberals are so concerned about helping the environment but the same people making HE washers make them to last 5 years instead of 20 years and that just leads to more resource usage to rebuild more substandard items that fail sooner... upgrading that 25 cent plastic part to a $1.50 metal part might add $100 to the cost of a washing machine manufacture but make it last twice as long.. this kind of crap should be encouraged instead of everything being cheap and disposable. Why do computer boards fail so quickly and need replacing? Make them better.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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Totally disgusted at the elimination of federal funding for Meals on Wheels. There is no excuse, none at all, for this.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I'm against the DOD getting an increase. From a few minutes earlier:



And, if you look at my history, you'll find plenty of posts where I say we need to cut military spending.

Ok, now can you tell me how buying really expensive furniture helps the environment?
Every agency needs to be reviewed for waste and have added oversight but sweeping budget cuts don't address these inefficiencies. This will reduce EPA clean up programs that are already in place.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I find this quite alarming. We have a lunatic, self-obsessed, narcissistic president who is building a larger military (and plans to have 'military parades'), who is holding rallies and who claims that he "has his own media," and states all the time that the all the other media outlets (the ones that use facts) are fake and lying.

His right-hand man is trying to dismantle the entire administration of the government and seeks to impose his 'alt-right' vision upon the world, as he fills up government posts with lobbyists, alt-right leaders and his own idealogs.

These guys are scary as hell, and if Trump's actions do not remind anyone of Hitler's, then you are in denial or not paying attention.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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Does any article shop an approximated deficit for the year?

I don't mind the cuts, but I don't want to see any Pentagon increase until deficits are more under control.

I don't like the blanket Democrat refusal on any wall money.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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I'm against the DOD getting an increase. From a few minutes earlier:



And, if you look at my history, you'll find plenty of posts where I say we need to cut military spending.

Ok, now can you tell me how buying really expensive furniture helps the environment?

And like you I literally said I had no problem with monitoring and cutting actual wasteful spending. The problem is using that to justify massive sweeping cuts that will affect things that truly do benefit Americans and help them keep their jobs.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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Every agency needs to be reviewed for waste and have added oversight but sweeping budget cuts don't address these inefficiencies. This will reduce EPA clean up programs that are already in place.
Any agency spending more than $6,000 per employee for furniture is wasting money. If they have millions to waste, they have room for budget cuts.

When I was once a government employee, I witnessed the "we need to hurry up and spend the rest of our budget, we must spend it all".

Do I want the EPA dissolved? No.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:50 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Regulation driven technology advances are the best thing that ever happened to the automobile. Remember carbs, bias tires, lousy mileage, poor handling, poor lighting, unsafe at any speed? Today's cars are the best they have ever been by a wide, wide margin. Maybe we would have gotten here without government regs, but it would have taken much longer.

My favorite was modifying the tail-fin shape being hyped as the annual 'engineering' improvement.
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