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Wholeheartedly agree it is impressive. It's worth noting the changes in their education system began 40 years ago! (Long term objectives make much sense.). Also worth noting the proposed changes were part of an overall economic recovery plan. That makes much sense also:
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The transformation of the Finns’ education system began some 40 years ago as the key propellent of the country’s economic recovery plan. Educators had little idea it was so successful until 2000, when the first results from the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), a standardized test given to 15-year-olds in more than 40 global venues, revealed Finnish youth to be the best young readers in the world. Three years later, they led in math. By 2006, Finland was first out of 57 countries (and a few cities) in science. In the 2009 PISA scores released last year, the nation came in second in science, third in reading and sixth in math among nearly half a million students worldwide. “I’m still surprised,” said Arjariita Heikkinen, principal of a Helsinki comprehensive school. “I didn’t realize we were that good.”
Also predictable when you attempt to engage me & then report my post as 'off topic'.
WTH are you talking about? I never reported any of your posts as 'off topic.' I don't report anyone's posts as 'off topic' as they almost always are the result of the flow of the discussion thread.
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I'm gonna follow the TOS, specifically, 'Do Not Feed The Trolls'.
Soooo... You refuse to comment on whether a less than 50% proficiency level among the highest achieving demographics is acceptable or not. OR comment on the proficiency levels of American Indian/Alaskan Native, Hispanic, and Black students.
WTH are you talking about? I never reported any of your posts as 'off topic.' I don't report anyone's posts as 'off topic' as they almost always are the result of the flow of the discussion thread.
Soooo... You refuse to comment on whether a less than 50% proficiency level among the highest achieving demographics is acceptable or not. OR comment on the proficiency levels of American Indian/Alaskan Native, Hispanic, and Black students.
I feel they need uniformity in our school's, but also school's need more autonomy.
They need to do away with common core and standarized testing. School's need to focus on the core 9: Math, History, Science, Writing, Reading, English, Music, Computer Technology, and Physical Education up to high school. In high school need to expand on these areas such as science: Chemistry; biology; physics.
Also school's should return back to offering more skill classes like wood working and cooking. In high school students should be involved in classes that prep them not only for college, but the work force. Classes that can offer students the ability to obtain skills that they can apply in life. Such as welding, CNA, EMT certifications as examples.
Also high school should incorporate communication classes as well.
Increase funding to school's to offer more extracurricular activities.
Increase pay of teachers and encourage teachers to go for masters. Support rural areas by creating a teachers Corp that pays 25% of student loans and offers stipends for meals/housing. Starting pay for teachers should be around $60,000. $70,000 for Masters. $80,000 for a Doctorate. Those in various specialties and hold certain certificates receive bonus pay as well.
Increase funding to offer more social service programs in school's.
Encourage parents to become more involved such as twice a month parents attend a a half a class day o the weekends with their children.
I feel they need uniformity in our school's, but also school's need more autonomy.
They need to do away with common core and standarized testing. School's need to focus on the core 9: Math, History, Science, Writing, Reading, English, Music, Computer Technology, and Physical Education up to high school. In high school need to expand on these areas such as science: Chemistry; biology; physics.
Also school's should return back to offering more skill classes like wood working and cooking. In high school students should be involved in classes that prep them not only for college, but the work force. Classes that can offer students the ability to obtain skills that they can apply in life. Such as welding, CNA, EMT certifications as examples.
Also high school should incorporate communication classes as well.
Increase funding to school's to offer more extracurricular activities.
Increase pay of teachers and encourage teachers to go for masters. Support rural areas by creating a teachers Corp that pays 25% of student loans and offers stipends for meals/housing. Starting pay for teachers should be around $60,000. $70,000 for Masters. $80,000 for a Doctorate. Those in various specialties and hold certain certificates receive bonus pay as well.
Increase funding to offer more social service programs in school's.
Encourage parents to become more involved such as twice a month parents attend a a half a class day o the weekends with their children.
Increase funding? The US already spends the highest in the world on education.
I'm just ignoring you, I'll have a much nicer day by doing so.
Ignore me all you want. However, that does nothing to solve our country's public education problem. It just makes you look like an ostrich with its head stuck in the sand.
Wholeheartedly agree it is impressive. It's worth noting the changes in their education system began 40 years ago! (Long term objectives make much sense.). Also worth noting the proposed changes were part of an overall economic recovery plan. That makes much sense also:
I feel they need uniformity in our school's, but also school's need more autonomy.
They need to do away with common core and standarized testing. School's need to focus on the core 9: Math, History, Science, Writing, Reading, English, Music, Computer Technology, and Physical Education up to high school. In high school need to expand on these areas such as science: Chemistry; biology; physics.
Also school's should return back to offering more skill classes like wood working and cooking. In high school students should be involved in classes that prep them not only for college, but the work force. Classes that can offer students the ability to obtain skills that they can apply in life. Such as welding, CNA, EMT certifications as examples.
Also high school should incorporate communication classes as well.
Increase funding to school's to offer more extracurricular activities.
Increase pay of teachers and encourage teachers to go for masters. Support rural areas by creating a teachers Corp that pays 25% of student loans and offers stipends for meals/housing. Starting pay for teachers should be around $60,000. $70,000 for Masters. $80,000 for a Doctorate. Those in various specialties and hold certain certificates receive bonus pay as well.
Increase funding to offer more social service programs in school's.
Encourage parents to become more involved such as twice a month parents attend a a half a class day o the weekends with their children.
We can only do half of these because if we did the other half it would mean doing the opposite of the first half. e.g., more uniformity and more autonomy.
The OP's topic is the German educational system. Not ours. The specific problems of our public schools and financing and admissions policies of our universities are characteristics of our system not Germany's.
The Finnish system, the Singapore system, seem oriented to academics with vocational skills being an afterthought. They are variations of the same system that we have.
The German system is different. Vocational education is equal in importance to academic training. People following a vocational path need just as much time to develop their skills as those on an academic one need. 18 is too late to train a kid to be a good baker or machinist just as it it too late to train a good classicist or engineer.
In the US, practically all students in K-12 get the training classicists and engineer need, i.e. the academic path. Few get the training bakers and machinists need. This handicaps them in their careers and also handicaps them when they have incurred huge debts to pay for an college education they can't use.
Emulating the Finnish or Singapore model does not do away with this fundamental problem. It might turn out better engineers and classicists but outside of that sliver of society it does nothing.
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