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Old 03-24-2017, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981 View Post
.. and when these freaks get tired of the dolls, what is going to happen?

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Originally Posted by CapnTrips View Post
What if the doll induces the abuse of even one living child?
With or without dolls, it can happen. A doll doesn't make you a pedophile. A doll doesn't cure you from pedophilia. But what it can help is that you get an orgasm on a piece of PVC instead of a living skin.

Actually, most pedophiles are well aware of their unlawful disease and won't ever commit a live crime. They jack off to pictures from the 90's distributed on the deep web. Why from the 90's? Because child porn is very difficult to produce these days and even from 3rd world countries the filmed/photographed material have plummeted. Let us all be thankful for that.

I looked it up, and though the stats are a bit outdated, people convicted of aggravated sexual abuse of a child in Finland between 1999 and 2007 had a repeated offender rate of 0%. Nobody was convicted again for the same crime.

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I don't think that is what is happening or going to happen. To me it seems like a training course on child molestation. Upon graduating the person will move on to engaging in the real thing when the doll becomes boring.
Did you have sex with a doll before going for the real thing? I guess not. If you would've, would it had changed your sexual behaviour? I guess not.

 
Old 03-24-2017, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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I looked it up, and though the stats are a bit outdated, people convicted of aggravated sexual abuse of a child in Finland between 1999 and 2007 had a repeated offender rate of 0%. Nobody was convicted again for the same crime.

That's good news, but what's missing is any explicit connection between the dolls and the reduction in crime rates. The article does not clarify whether these were commonly available between 1999 and 2007 (I know, its The Post). Clearly, a cause-effect relationship between the dolls and the change in behavior has to be established before we conclude that the dolls are beneficial and we can take the risk.

Since we are talking science and research, the conclusion that the dolls are beneficial should be backed up by research conducted according to scientific protocol. Maybe that was done here; I don't know. What I have an issue with is how such research can be conducted ethically in the first place. So we take two groups of pedophiles and give one group the dolls. Do we then cut both groups loose near a playground? Do we wire each group up like in Clockwork Orange and show them kiddie porn? Or do we base our conclusions on simply polling the two groups a few months later about whether they have abused any children in the interim?

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Old 03-24-2017, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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With or without dolls, it can happen. A doll doesn't make you a pedophile. A doll doesn't cure you from pedophilia. But what it can help is that you get an orgasm on a piece of PVC instead of a living skin.

Actually, most pedophiles are well aware of their unlawful disease and won't ever commit a live crime. They jack off to pictures from the 90's distributed on the deep web. Why from the 90's? Because child porn is very difficult to produce these days and even from 3rd world countries the filmed/photographed material have plummeted. Let us all be thankful for that.

I looked it up, and though the stats are a bit outdated, people convicted of aggravated sexual abuse of a child in Finland between 1999 and 2007 had a repeated offender rate of 0%. Nobody was convicted again for the same crime.



Did you have sex with a doll before going for the real thing? I guess not. If you would've, would it had changed your sexual behaviour? I guess not.
All of what you posted is hearsay. Only a pedophile can make your claims as absolute truth. Are your claims truthful or hearsay?
 
Old 03-24-2017, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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I bet if they made latex sheep for the treatment of people who have sex with animals PETA would have something to say about it.
 
Old 03-24-2017, 12:05 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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And, IMO, it has to be done in the open public so it sends a nice message to the potential monsters living among our societies.
Are we saying that we should execute someone who has thoughts of committing a crime who hasn't actually committed one?
 
Old 03-24-2017, 12:07 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Is S&M bondage etc.. "training" for eventual forced imprisonment, bondage, assault and rape of a unwilling participant?
 
Old 03-24-2017, 12:10 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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There's an argument to be made that any sort of criminal behavior can be interpreted as mental illness. But society's first obligation is to protect the victims, before we focus on fixing the perpetrator.
Are we suppose to prosecute people of mental illness or isolate them because of a possibility of a crime?

A person who displays anti-social or psychotic (or any of the other illnesses linked to crime) should be taken into custody for the safety of potential victims?

Wouldn't persecution of people with mental illness (whether legally or via society) make those dealing with them not come forward and seek help?

Are people with mental illnesses not considered part of society?

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Old 03-24-2017, 12:18 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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I bet if they made latex sheep for the treatment of people who have sex with animals PETA would have something to say about it.
Have Adults (real living people) had much to say about sex dolls that portray Adults? Why would PETA (yes I know they go overboard at times) have anything say or even care about sex dolls that look like sheep?
 
Old 03-24-2017, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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Are we suppose to prosecute people of mental illness or isolate them because of a possibility of a crime?

A person who displays anti-social or psychotic (or any of the other illnesses linked to crime) should be taken into custody for the safety of potential victims?

Not only are we not supposed to, we cannot. Criminal penalties, at least in the U.S., can legally be imposed only for criminal acts. We have no Brain Police in the U.S. (unless we are talking about the progressive left). If a pedophile commits a crime, he may be imprisoned or subjected to other criminal penalties. Being issued a rubber doll and cut loose is not a criminal penalty.

If he admits his condition and submits willingly to treatment, or for treatment during incarceration, then we have the topic of this thread -- whether using the dolls is a reasonable form of treatment, i.e., one which benefits both the society and the pedophile.

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Old 03-24-2017, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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Have Adults (real living people) had much to say about sex dolls that portray Adults? Why would PETA (yes I know they go overboard at times) have anything say or even care about sex dolls that look like sheep?

I believe you answered your own question.
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