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Old 03-24-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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Every single economic difficulty our nation is suffering from is due to unconstitutional regulation, laws and interference with the free market. The ONLY guaranteed protection these unconstitutional laws, regulations and ordinances protects Americans from is lower prices.

Healthcare costs through the roof = regulations from government + an influx of guaranteed money due to Medicare, Medicaid and ObamaCare. Also included is regulation on durable medical goods.

Prescription drug costs very high = regulations (now just bribe money) from the FDA to even bring a drug to market.

Real estate and rental prices through the roof = interference with lending institutions, forcing them to loan to people who probably shouldn't purchase because of their risk, interference at all levels of government dictating what can and cannot be built, what standards must be met, materials that can be used etc. That is on top of requiring you to ask their permission to repair or build something else on the property, pay for that permission then pay the same scumbags to inspect what you've done even though if the work fails or is shoddy, they the government is not held liable.

Automobile prices doubling (or more) in the past 20 years = CAFE standards AND nanny state requirements on safety, not to mention insane regulations on manufacturing processes.

Energy prices skyrocketing = massive interferences via laws and regulations on all aspects of the energy industry including what kind of energy can and must be used, prohibiting energy exploration, and taxing the crap out of energy at every stage of the process.

College education costs skyrocketing = government making nearly unlimited guaranteed loan money from the government available to anyone wanting to attend college, therefore causing colleges to charge more because they can and they know the government will just make more guaranteed loan money available.

Cost to run ANY business skyrocketing = interference by government at ALL levels, requiring you ask permission and pay for that permission to even get a license to run a business, other regulations, interfering with labor costs via a minimum wage even though a position may not provide the value of a higher wage, etc.

Military spending skyrocketing = government getting the US involved in unnecessary wars and military incursions.

"Illegal" drugs = government prohibiting what some will do regardless of prohibition which give government an excuse to demand more and more government to fight a "war" on US citizens who choose to do drugs, increasing the need for more prisons (more spending) and harming many families and their financial status as one or more are put through an insane legal system then prison, all just profits for government at the expense of citizens including those who aren't involved in drugs.

Unconstitutional Big Brother surveillance state = unimaginable costs and intrusions into everything in our lives.



I could go on and on because I've only scratched the surface to give you an idea but I do want to include two more major harms.



Out of control government deficit spending and debt = more and more that citizens have to pay, just to pay the interest, much less the actual debt.

Devaluing of the US dollar = the government (via the federal reserve bank but at the demand of government) printing more and more money, creating inflation that we pay for by our dollar being worth less and less every damn day.



All this said and STILL most of you people on BOTH the left and the right are unbelievably demanding MORE government intrusion in our lives, not less? What is wrong with you people? Are you seriously THAT stupid? This is YOUR fault because you ignorantly keep making demands that the government protect you from something... but know this, all you are doing is insisting the government cost you more money, therefore protecting you from lower prices and lower taxes.

May GOD help us because our republic is dead and this country surely WILL fail unless we stop this runaway train that is government interference in EVERYTHING in our lives.
There are fallacies in this post. First with car prices, look at a car 20 years ago and compare it to the same model today. A 97 car unless it was a Bentley or Rolls Royce was inferior to a modern version in every way.

And oil adjusted for inflation is much cheaper than it's been if not the cheapest ever.

I'm not going to go further because just these two examples alone debunk your post
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:24 PM
 
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BS... The root CAUSE of ALL economic problems in the US is the incomprehensible SIZE of our government!

All these freakin politicians robbing us blind while they sit on the butts sucking in our $$ for doing absolutely nothing!!
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:38 PM
 
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LOBBYING. that is the whole problem right there.

end lobbying and everything else gets fixed one at a time.


As long as we allow billions of dollars a year to be spent buying the people who we elect then we will always have these problems.

End lobbying and within years you would find we get the laws changed that end people like the Koch brothers from controlling congress members. (freedom caucus )

RE fees would be lower. Comcast would be set on fire. endless issues would vanish.
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:42 PM
 
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Greed, selfishness, hubris, lust. Those are root causes of our problems in this world.
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:59 PM
 
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Every single economic difficulty our nation is suffering from is due to unconstitutional regulation, laws and interference with the free market. The ONLY guaranteed protection these unconstitutional laws, regulations and ordinances protects Americans from is lower prices.
And each of these regulations came about because businesses and corporations abused the free market.

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Healthcare costs through the roof = regulations from government + an influx of guaranteed money due to Medicare, Medicaid and ObamaCare. Also included is regulation on durable medical goods.
Regulations because medical professionals were dishonest to patients.

Medicare because old people have more medical issues and couldn't afford their costs.
Medicaid because children, disabled, elderly, and those in poverty couldn't afford care.
ObamaCare because insurance companies routinely raised their premiums without justifying costs while forcing out people who had chronic issues.

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Regulations on durable medical goods because companies abused the free market and they weren't so durable.
Regulations because companies lied about their medications and withheld side effect information.

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Prescription drug costs very high = regulations (now just bribe money) from the FDA to even bring a drug to market.
Regulations because companies lied about their medications and withheld side effect information.

Bribe money happens because these pharmaceutical companies still don't wish to be honest.

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Real estate and rental prices through the roof = interference with lending institutions, forcing them to loan to people who probably shouldn't purchase because of their risk,
You mean regulations meant to stop discriminatory lending practices? Where two buyers with the same credit-worthiness were given far different loans because one buyer was black?

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interference at all levels of government dictating what can and cannot be built, what standards must be met, materials that can be used etc.
You mean the ones that, if properly held to, would have prevented the contaminated drywall from China from being used? And the new regulations that spawned from that incident? Or the regulations that helped put a stop to the deceptive "inspection" companies that scammed homebuyers into thinking a contaminated residence was "safe". And the fake remediation companies.

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That is on top of requiring you to ask their permission to repair or build something else on the property, pay for that permission then pay the same scumbags to inspect what you've done even though if the work fails or is shoddy, they the government is not held liable.
You mean the regulations that were put into place because house flippers were having shoddy and unsafe additions built onto houses to increase their value, only to cause the next buyer a considerable amount of cost in repairs and other upkeep?

Or the regulations that ensure that a house being rebuilt on the inside to accommodate ADA specifications... is actually being done to ADA specifications?

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Automobile prices doubling (or more) in the past 20 years = CAFE standards AND nanny state requirements on safety, not to mention insane regulations on manufacturing processes.
I mean, those costs tooootally can't be as a result of increased technology in use?

Or making sure things like doors don't just fall off in the middle of the interstate at 70mph.

Or setting regulations to ensure that the acceleration doesn't get stuck.

Or setting regulations to ensure that the engine doesn't just cut off on the interstate because a person's key ring is too heavy?

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Energy prices skyrocketing = massive interferences via laws and regulations on all aspects of the energy industry including what kind of energy can and must be used, prohibiting energy exploration, and taxing the crap out of energy at every stage of the process.
You mean the regulations created because energy companies were dumping toxic chemicals into waterways and releasing toxic gases that caused health issues for nearby towns?

Ya know, like the 3 million tons of coal ash that Dominion Energy dumped next to the Elizabeth River which let arsenic and other chemicals steep into the water way?

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College education costs skyrocketing = government making nearly unlimited guaranteed loan money from the government available to anyone wanting to attend college, therefore causing colleges to charge more because they can and they know the government will just make more guaranteed loan money available.
It couldn't have had anything to do with the changing economy of the US alongside the general education structure of compulsory education creating a situation in which most living-wage jobs requiring either college degrees or vocational training/education? Thus creating a massive demand for more college-based education?

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Cost to run ANY business skyrocketing = interference by government at ALL levels, requiring you ask permission and pay for that permission to even get a license to run a business, other regulations, interfering with labor costs via a minimum wage even though a position may not provide the value of a higher wage, etc.
Oh man. Regulations that demanded that business owners treat their staff like people. The horror.

I mean, it couldn't be a result of companies that withheld tips from waitresses, withheld overtime pay, adjusted hours to underpay staff, and stuff like that, right?

It couldn't be a result of companies telling their menial workers that radium paint was completely safe and to use their mouths to keep their paintbrushes to a fine point... while the company's scientists and other workers were told the dangers of the product and given adequate safety gear, right?

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Military spending skyrocketing = government getting the US involved in unnecessary wars and military incursions.
This, yeah. Totally agree that our military complex is absolutely ridiculous.

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"Illegal" drugs = government prohibiting what some will do regardless of prohibition which give government an excuse to demand more and more government to fight a "war" on US citizens who choose to do drugs, increasing the need for more prisons (more spending) and harming many families and their financial status as one or more are put through an insane legal system then prison, all just profits for government at the expense of citizens including those who aren't involved in drugs.
Agree. Legalize marijuana and other recreational drugs.

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Unconstitutional Big Brother surveillance state = unimaginable costs and intrusions into everything in our lives.
Can agree.

Overall, the problem is that many of the regulations you are complaining against were created because people and companies abused the free market and quite literally killed people. So the government stepped in and said "Yeah. If you could stop killing people in the name of profit, that would be great".

Yeah, there is a ton of wasteful spending that we should be reigning in. But I kinda like knowing that when my house doubled in size and became wheelchair accessible (before I purchased it), the construction was done in a safe manner. And that if anything were to show otherwise, I would have resources to seek compensation and other recourse.
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:38 PM
 
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Every single economic difficulty our nation is suffering from is due to unconstitutional regulation, laws and interference with the free market. The ONLY guaranteed protection these unconstitutional laws, regulations and ordinances protects Americans from is lower prices.

Healthcare costs through the roof = regulations from government + an influx of guaranteed money due to Medicare, Medicaid and ObamaCare. Also included is regulation on durable medical goods.

Prescription drug costs very high = regulations (now just bribe money) from the FDA to even bring a drug to market.

Real estate and rental prices through the roof = interference with lending institutions, forcing them to loan to people who probably shouldn't purchase because of their risk, interference at all levels of government dictating what can and cannot be built, what standards must be met, materials that can be used etc. That is on top of requiring you to ask their permission to repair or build something else on the property, pay for that permission then pay the same scumbags to inspect what you've done even though if the work fails or is shoddy, they the government is not held liable.

Automobile prices doubling (or more) in the past 20 years = CAFE standards AND nanny state requirements on safety, not to mention insane regulations on manufacturing processes.

Energy prices skyrocketing = massive interferences via laws and regulations on all aspects of the energy industry including what kind of energy can and must be used, prohibiting energy exploration, and taxing the crap out of energy at every stage of the process.

College education costs skyrocketing = government making nearly unlimited guaranteed loan money from the government available to anyone wanting to attend college, therefore causing colleges to charge more because they can and they know the government will just make more guaranteed loan money available.

Cost to run ANY business skyrocketing = interference by government at ALL levels, requiring you ask permission and pay for that permission to even get a license to run a business, other regulations, interfering with labor costs via a minimum wage even though a position may not provide the value of a higher wage, etc.

Military spending skyrocketing = government getting the US involved in unnecessary wars and military incursions.

"Illegal" drugs = government prohibiting what some will do regardless of prohibition which give government an excuse to demand more and more government to fight a "war" on US citizens who choose to do drugs, increasing the need for more prisons (more spending) and harming many families and their financial status as one or more are put through an insane legal system then prison, all just profits for government at the expense of citizens including those who aren't involved in drugs.

Unconstitutional Big Brother surveillance state = unimaginable costs and intrusions into everything in our lives.



I could go on and on because I've only scratched the surface to give you an idea but I do want to include two more major harms.



Out of control government deficit spending and debt = more and more that citizens have to pay, just to pay the interest, much less the actual debt.

Devaluing of the US dollar = the government (via the federal reserve bank but at the demand of government) printing more and more money, creating inflation that we pay for by our dollar being worth less and less every damn day.



All this said and STILL most of you people on BOTH the left and the right are unbelievably demanding MORE government intrusion in our lives, not less? What is wrong with you people? Are you seriously THAT stupid? This is YOUR fault because you ignorantly keep making demands that the government protect you from something... but know this, all you are doing is insisting the government cost you more money, therefore protecting you from lower prices and lower taxes.

May GOD help us because our republic is dead and this country surely WILL fail unless we stop this runaway train that is government interference in EVERYTHING in our lives.
What you have described is "Individual Greed"... and Crooked Politicians who sell away the voice of their constituency. You may benefit by looking at your scenarios and relate it to the "greed of man" and how mans greed buys away the ethics of those we place in the position of representing us.
Government Regulations and Policies are designed to accommodate a large variety of elements, and to do so with a principle of fair play. It is man's greed that seeks to circumvent the process and contort the policy guidelines and fight to defeat the regulations.

As to Education, one should go back and learn the real truths as to why cost skyrocketed: It was President Reagan who set the game plan for University Cost to Skyrocket, when he defunded the State University System and Crippled Community Colleges, he did it first in California, and when he became President, he pushed that agenda across the country.


As to Drugs, It was within the game plan of every War to protect the "Poppy Fields" and that was true in Vietnam and it is true today in Afghanistan. The only people who can mass import Drugs is the Wealthy, they do so while hiding their hands behind their back. the bulk of people damaged is exactly what Ronald Reagan did to the poor whites, minorities and poor communities all across America, "it was not Our system of government" it was "the man in office and his personal agenda" that flooded American with Cocaine, to get money to do the Iran-Contras 'drugs for money weapons game" to fight his war against the Central American Sandinista.

If one looks into that right of such activity, what they find is the "same players across many decades, "Cheney, Rumsfeld" and the other names that have played their game across Republican Administration, some passing the torch since the Nixon Administration. Anytime Drug enter into the ranks of the wealthy, there is massive rehab programming, and there is all act and effort to eradicate it from their ranks, but that does not cut the flow of drugs to the poor and challenge poor whites and minorities. This is not the Government doing this, this is corrupt greed driven individual who have developed a network of like minds who facilitate and pay crooked politicians to look the other way.

At some point, white society will have no choice but to begin to lay focus and assign blame where it belongs, "one the wealthy white established system and of wealthy operators"... It's not something to blame on poor whites, minorities and the Government.. Its always been the acts of the wealthy who have engaged their avarice which uses the tool of greed to circumvent the government, buy away the voice that are chosen by the people, and to engage in conduct which is pure greed with little regard for the damage it does to our governance system and our people.

Man chasing money with such lust and desperation for money has made some men, such types of beast. Their life is about money and they use money for the sake of power, to get more money, that is their circle of mentality.


Take "a home" as example: The tax assessor does not frequently change the valuation of land or structure, that is done by the greed of the Real Estate System. The only way to curb that is to "have the assessed value increased when the market appraised value is increased. The free market should never be allowed to run wild, or everything would operate like a pay day loan, where the rate never cease to increase.

As to who buys a home... that was done by the Banker's in collusion with the Bond Markets, who packaged junk, and to do so, they did not base it on what the base mortgage would be, as it escalates, they based it on what kind of low teaser rate they could use to temp more people to buy more house than they could afford at the higher rate, and did not tell them, that the rate would spike up astronomically. And they sold the bonds based on the rate's projected spike upwards. Wage did not increase at that rate in fact wage was stagnant, then job losses came, and general purchasing power fell, which caused more job losses, and all the while the interest rate spiked upwards, because the Bond sellers promised the buyer some astronomical return. The only thing that stopped that madness was "regulatory governance" and mandating compliance to regulations that prohibit that type of scamming upon and against the people.

No one else could have stopped that Madness except Obama... because he did not come from a system where that kind of greed game was within his habit pattern or life, he saw the devastation in the communities by the work in communities to have seem the impact such stuff has on the lives of people. None of the other Candidate has that level of ground floor knowledge and awareness and they certainly did not have concern for the people on the ground floor. It was through regulatory policy making, that he stopped the economic slide and the home losses and it was through policy that he saved the Automotive Industry, and it was through regulatory policy that he put the banking system under stress test, and it was by regulatory policy that he curtailed the wild gambling on Wall Street. It was by Regulatory Policy that he stopped the Insurance companies from ripping off people and then denying them service for their claims. I certainly don't expect anyone who is Anti-government and anti-regulations to understand nor agree, and they can deny the facts, but it does not change the facts from being the facts.

American Regulatory Governance is the thing that made this country as great as it is among countries of the world.
The problem with American can be traced to the Institution of Wealthy White Based system since the days of Slavery generated the labor and the massive resource production which created a massive volume of wealth that this country was built upon, then one can look at the innovation of industry, but in that picture, it goes to the points that "regulatory programs were continually needed. Go back and Study Teddy Roosevelt and his challenges put to Standard Oil and Look even more at the regulation that were deveoped to stabilize the Rail Way system with the expansive Railways Acts.

American white society has always had a twisted view of what it "Freedom"... Freedom does not mean do anything one wants.. Freedom is about Responsibility" and within that Responsibility it includes ESTABLISHING REGULATORY GOVERNANCE.... Without it, we'd be a Plutocracy of many flavors, that would be dominated by monarchical systems, and autocratic processes. Instead we are a Democracy, that functions by Majority, and that is managed by and through Regulatory Governance Principe and Amendments and Policies.

The greatest thing that damages America along with the greed of the wealth, is the generalized ignorance due to lack of knowledge of what is Political Science in relations to Nation Building. If we were without regulatory governance, we'd be like any of the other struggling countries, who have a continual cycle of leaders who fleece the nations and loot its coffers.

Can one even imagine living in a "city community environment" and people had Hogs in the Front Yard, and Chicken Coops in the back yard, and farm animals wandering around the neighborhood. Or someone operating a chemical processing facility in their garage, or using their front yard as a recycling station.

No... We need Regulations and We not them to Govern. A Majority did never say that everyone will be "fantasy filled happy about everything", it implies and states that the Majority establishes regulatory governance policies that the we as a society abide by, to make for the peace within nation of which exist as to social and civil structure of community, city, district, county and state.

The Anti-Government and Anti- Regulation types are a destructive force that for the sake of their self concerned interest and their disregard for the generalized society, want to abolish regulation, so they can just "do as they please, any way they please -ANYWHERE they please.

If one wants to exercise such choice to do multiple things, then do it in the area where the regulations has outline for it to be done. The anti-regulation people waste a lot of time and resources within our system fighting against anything and everything, for their self centered aim. Rather than go learn what are the regulation in difference districts and then go to the sector that allows such activity.
There is every kind of zone for any kind of business any person can think or imagine to want to do, but they just can't set up shop and do it in any place.

No one wants to see a single wide trailer home in a community where the streets are lined block after block with nice brick homes and nice streets and sidewalks and such. NO, they have rural areas that can accommodate such, and they have various levels of Parks, which can accommodate it. One can't go move a single wide into a 4 Star Park that is designed for Double Wide units.

As to the social, economic and civility of developing functional process for "American People" beyond race and gender bias. Then that is a matter, people should invest to look back into history and learn how such things spread for centuries and decades...

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Old 03-24-2017, 07:54 PM
 
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Which is why we should be prepared to live without the goods and services they offer. If push comes to shove, we should be ready to tell them where to shove their goods and services.
You go tell the Koch brothers, big pharma, big oil companies, Wall Street and the military industrial complex that.
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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And liberals suggest more government intervention is the answer.
Wrong -- not that I label myself a liberal - but wrong.

Right now I need smarter govt. not more govt.

Yes stay out of my business for example.....with alcohol, weed, who I want to marry and whether or not I choose to use birth control (which can be used for more than birth control but old white men don't know it can help to reduce migraines and allow women/girls to miss out on less because they can physically deal with the pain and blood flow of menstruation - -oh did I embarrass you -- oops)....


But no -- liberals aren't about more govt. intervention just different. That's the reality -- Republicans haven't reduced the control of govt. or financial size of govt. or the physical size of govt. EVER....so stop selling that load of baloney.
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