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Old 03-25-2017, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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If it's so great, why do our friends on the left want to give all the credit for the wonderful ACA to their political opponents?

The reason: it sucks and no matter what the Democrats say, THEY own it until it goes away.

Anyway, on to tax cuts and building the wall.
Because the party in power owns it.
The Republicans are in the wheelhouse now, steering the ship of state.

The fact is they did not have to do anything at all about the ACA. They could have just left it completely alone.

But repealing it was a big deal for them for the past 8 years, starting back when no one had ever used it and the entire thought of socialize medicine was brand new for everyone.

Now that 25 million folks have signed up and used their insurance, all that changed. They use it and they like it a lot. And now, they don't want to lose it, despite what they once thought.

Our new President also promised he would kill the law. The very first thing he would do, if elected. So he felt obligated to take a shot at it, and because he's a Republican, the House had to go along with him and make an attempt.
But now, nobody in the right mind who wants to be re-elected next year, wants to live up to their old promises. If they tried too hard, they would lose to Democrats in 2018.

So they made a clabbered-up mess of a bill that wasn't going to ever work, and had a Chinese fire drill to show how hard they were working, but in the end, after they all sobered up, they realized they had better bury that stinker before it came back and kicked them upside the head in 2018.

After all, it's their ship right now, and they still want to steer it. And Republicans will be Republicans.
It's always easier for them to make empty promises that their voters like to hear than do the hard work of governing.
Their favorite solution to all hard matters is to kick the problem down the road far enough that sooner or later the Democrats will have another mess to clean up once they get the ship back for another turn in the wheelhouse.

And that's why they own the ACA. They chose to pick it up. And their hands got burned when they did.
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Old 03-25-2017, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The ACA was signed into law in March 2010, and thus has been a mess 7 yrs in the making. The GOP has been in control since Jan 20, just over 2 months. I don't regard it as a negative that they have not solved it in approx. 60 days.


I regard the events of the past week as a positive. They needed to slow down, and extend the debate. I figure that we will get some action on Obamacare by the end of the year. Ramming through legislation w/ no bi partisan input or support was a huge part of what made the ACA such a debacle in the first place (and it was not signed until over a year after Obama took office).
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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The people own Obamacare. The blow back at the town hall meetings with the Republicans to repeal Obamacare was heard loud and clear. Repealing something that popular and replacing it with what Ryan and Trump were proposing is political suicide. So is that rectum of a president more interested in letting something that the people want to keep collapse out of some sick need for revenge. An honorable person would try and fix it and keep it. An honorable person would not come up with crap that just benefits the 1%. Oh wait we're talking about Trumphole. I might as well be talking to my dogs about this instead. Who's a good boy? Well it isn't Trump.
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:08 AM
 
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The people own Obamacare. The blow back at the town hall meetings with the Republicans to repeal Obamacare was heard loud and clear. Repealing something that popular and replacing it with what Ryan and Trump were proposing is political suicide. So is that rectum of a president more interested in letting something that the people want to keep collapse out of some sick need for revenge. An honorable person would try and fix it and keep it. An honorable person would not come up with crap that just benefits the 1%. Oh wait we're talking about Trumphole. I might as well be talking to my dogs about this instead. Who's a good boy? Well it isn't Trump.
The bolded not only describes the president, but the Republican Congress as well. They will do whatever they can to make sure the ACA is never fixed, and whatever they can to hasten its failure. The millions of Americans who will suffer as a result are meaningless to them. This, America, is what the Republican party has become.

Where are the moderate Republicans? They need to step up and take their party back.
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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The bolded not only describes the president, but the Republican Congress as well. They will do whatever they can to make sure the ACA is never fixed, and whatever they can to hasten its failure. The millions of Americans who will suffer as a result are meaningless to them. This, America, is what the Republican party has become.

Where are the moderate Republicans? They need to step up and take their party back.
The moderate Republicans voted against the travesty known as the ACA just like the conservative Republicans. The only idiots who voted for and continue to support the failed scheme are the Democrats.

I would say the moderate Democrats need to take their party back and try and fix this abortion of a system, but there is no such thing as a moderate Democrat anymore.
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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Games people play.

To get folks like you all in a lather...lol.

But yeah -- Trump is in charge and it's all on him now. He said he could do it...so do it. We do the same with all Presidents.
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Games people play.

To get folks like you all in a lather...lol.

But yeah -- Trump is in charge and it's all on him now. He said he could do it...so do it. We do the same with all Presidents.
Wrong.
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:31 AM
 
Location: USA
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It absolutely is hypocrisy by the GOP. After years and years of whining about how the ACA is the worst thing to ever happen to America their solution was a bill that's almost the same.
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Old 03-26-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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It absolutely is hypocrisy by the GOP. After years and years of whining about how the ACA is the worst thing to ever happen to America their solution was a bill that's almost the same.
Not almost the same, but demonstrably worse. So bad, in fact, that even their own party rejected it for the POS it was.
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