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Would you be willing to give all Palestinians citizenship if they sincerely converted en masse to Orthodox Judaism? Or does their racial and ethnic background make you hesitant to ever be comfortable with giving them citizenship?
first of all Judaism is not Christianity, so there is no en masse conversion. Conversion to Judaism takes years to complete. There is no hypothetical situation here as Muslims have no wish to convert to Judaism. Secondly, Palestinians have had an open door to becoming citizens, but nearly all have declined to do so as they don't want a Israeli passport. Their racial and ethnic background has nothing to do with either as they number at around 1.7 million who are currently citizens of Israel.
The truth is, the Jews were being forced onto the Arabs without their consent. ....
Forced? You may want to read the history of the Ottoman Empire where they invited Jews in the mid-1800's to come and purchase land. Jews purchased 1000's of acres to farm on to the point where rural communities became cities. Even after the Ottoman's were gone, Arabs continued to sell large tracts of land to Jews (and still do contrary to Palestinian Authority law).
Most of the Israelis understand that the Palestinians will never agree to a Jewish state and they will never abolish their demand to place 5-6 million Arabs in Israel ("Right of Return"). So, if the chance for peace is zero, why stop building settlements? It does not matter.
In a world wherein Jews are the most heavily liberal and heavily pro-immigration large group outside of Israel, and in which Israeli ethnonationalist Jews outside of Israel are frequently among the most vocal liberals in the diaspora, why would Jews have an issue with 5-6 million Arabs settling in Israel?
first of all Judaism is not Christianity, so there is no en masse conversion. Conversion to Judaism takes years to complete. There is no hypothetical situation here as Muslims have no wish to convert to Judaism.
An excuse that is always complete BS. How can you speak for all Muslims and/or Arabs? How do you know what an entire group wants, and deny them functional access to what you say that they don't want in doing so?
You're making an excuse because you don't want to provide it.
It seems to me as if the years long conversion process is merely an obstacle to prevent racial outsiders from converting in large numbers.
Forced? You may want to read the history of the Ottoman Empire where they invited Jews in the mid-1800's to come and purchase land. Jews purchased 1000's of acres to farm on to the point where rural communities became cities. Even after the Ottoman's were gone, Arabs continued to sell large tracts of land to Jews (and still do contrary to Palestinian Authority law).
In 1878, the population of Palestine was 87% Muslim, 10% Christian, and only 3% Jewish. By 1938, it was 30% Jewish.
Almost all of this immigration happened between 1920 and 1939, during British occupation. And the Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, during WWI. And it only took effect once the Ottoman's actually lost WWI, and Britain took control of Palestine.
Israel did buy a lot of land, but it was from large non-Palestinian landowners, who were suddenly in foreign countries after the fall of the Ottoman empire.
Also, the proposed borders for Israel/Palestine in the partition plan weren't based on the land the Jews actually owned.
Middle East Muslims will never be satisfied until there is a genocide of the Jewish people. That has been the stand of Iran and other Arab nations for decades. The people of Israel have been suffering attacks from these savages for nearly 70 years...little has changed.
Jerusalem has deep meaning in both Islam and Judaism.
And the Koran instructs the faithful to kill Jews wherever you find them. Would you split a city with them?
I can see "splitting" Jerusalem as long as the Muslims will split Medina and Mecca. After all, Mecca was not an Islamic city until after a vicious warlord slaughtered the native residents.
Per the 1947 Mandate it was supposed to be international. Yet under Jordanian control from the armistice of 1949 until 1967 all Jews were banned from Jerusalem (the city and the region). Jews were evicted from their homes during the same time period. Yet after 1967 when Israel took control over the area, the only Arabs that were displaced were the ones who were living in former Jewish homes and lands. Jerusalem now has access by all religions again. Wish to make that comment again.
Also all limitations into the the city of Jerusalem by Arabs is done at the request of Muslim Arabs who own most of the shops. Tourists spend money, Arabs don't. This is most prevalent during Christmas when Arabs have to go through a lottery system to gain access.
There is no stealing of land. There is returning land to it's former owners. No new Jewish city in the area has been built in 25 years.
C'mon. No problem with the Israelis continuing to hold the land regardless of how they acquired it for populations have been displacing others throughout history. It's a sorrow that there will be no "peace" here for part of the inherent *price* of that land is the undying resentment of those who were pushed off it. At least give the Palestinians THAT dignity.
The real issue connected to the "Right of Return" is not the status of those Palestinians who remained within Jersusalem but the Palestinian diaspora - those who were driven or fled from land held for centuries during the fighting in the various wars only to find their path home blocked once peace returned. No proffers of Israeli citizenship for *them.*
Nor any "purchase" of their land. Israel instead used a variety of methods "legal" under primarily Israeli-promulgated law to "transfer" the "abandoned" land to the State.
Since the subject is land ... might as well call a spade by its rightful name. A spade.
Middle East Muslims will never be satisfied until there is a genocide of the Jewish people. That has been the stand of Iran and other Arab nations for decades. The people of Israel have been suffering attacks from these savages for nearly 70 years...little has changed.
Kurds, Azeris, and Turks are allies of Israel. Close to 20% of Israel is Arab Muslim and these Arab Muslims have Israeli citizenship. Bedouins who are Muslim also are drafted into the IDF. Egypt and Jordan also recognize Israel and in the case of Egypt, they are engaging in a brutal crackdown of Hamas. Right now it is an open secret that Saudi Arabia is an informal and secret ally of Israel. Also almost none of the most fanatical anti-Zionist terrorists who actually struck Israel are Gulf Arabs, they are overwhelmingly Levenatine Arabs. Israel has never been at war with a Gulf Arab state.
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