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Old 04-03-2017, 08:07 AM
 
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It's not that expensive to put a new box in. (maybe in NYC) My house was built in the 1940's. Slot was there.
The standard for homes built in the 1940s was for a panel to have 60A-80A total current. If you have one of those, and added a 30A-50A outlet for a Tesla, then I recommend calling in a licensed electrician to look it over. It stands a good chance of catching on fire. There is absolutely no way for something like that to be to code.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:10 AM
 
Location: The South
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Specifically, who has denied that the energy comes from somewhere? If there has been no one, are we really being honest?

P.S. The regenerative energy that also powers my car does come from nowhere though.
All energy comes from somewhere.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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I'm not sure if there is a better method of disposing of gasoline than burning it in a modern vehicle.

It might not make any sense to move to everyone driving an electric vehicle.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Planet earth
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Every bit of this idiotic push toward renewable energy is a scam designed to redistribute wealth from 1st world nations to 3rd world nation leaders. Along the way gullible idiots are sucked into the concept of utopian energy and how it will be cheaper and not harm the environment, when that nonsense requires the gullible idiot to be completely ignorant of the facts regarding grid scale energy production. Even single family dwelling scale energy production cannot be done for less than what a electric utility can generate, transmit and distribute to that same dwelling at retail costs.

This is all complete insanity... but if that's what you want to believe and spout on about... have at it. You'll just get added to my /ignore list except for the moderators out there whom we mere mortals are not allowed to /ignore.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:11 AM
 
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Speaking of which, are you wanting to end all petroleum use or do you know what will be done with all that gasoline?
I have no idea. My old car is never going to run on anything other than gas so I hope it is around as long as I am. I support the continued development of alternative energy sources. Period.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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One thing that irritates me is the emphasis on more energy efficient vehicles that encourages the production and sale of electrics, hybrids etc.

Then .... when people invest in all these energy efficient vehicles, the government then complains about budget shortfalls because people are not buying as much gas and the government doesn't collect as much gas tax.

Now, government increases the tax on gas to make up for the shortfall.

The end user just can not get a break.
Politicians are morons. You won't get many to argue against that point here.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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One thing that irritates me is the emphasis on more energy efficient vehicles that encourages the production and sale of electrics, hybrids etc.

Then .... when people invest in all these energy efficient vehicles, the government then complains about budget shortfalls because people are not buying as much gas and the government doesn't collect as much gas tax.

Now, government increases the tax on gas to make up for the shortfall.

The end user just can not get a break.

CAFE standards, yet another way for the government to manipulate the free market, economically harm EVERYONE.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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The standard for homes built in the 1940s was for a panel to have 60A-80A total current. If you have one of those, and added a 30A-50A outlet for a Tesla, then I recommend calling in a licensed electrician to look it over. It stands a good chance of catching on fire. There is absolutely no way for something like that to be to code.
I don't have a Tesla.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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All energy comes from somewhere.
Regenerative energy does indeed come from sources that have been routinely wasted. It's simply being captured now. Heat friction happens everytime you stop. Capture it or not there aren't additional costs involved. Everytime I brake, I am adding energy back into the battery.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:18 AM
 
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I don't have a Tesla.
Ahh OK.

Then what I said stands. In the vast majority of homes, it is not a trivial matter to add a dedicated charging port for a Tesla due to the very high currents required. Expect it to cost several 1000 dollars. Without it, there is really no practical way to keep it charged for daily use.

Even then, it will take between 6 to 7 hours to bring it back to full charge. That is a very long time to go without a car on a daily basis. Better have a gasoline powered vehicle on standby.
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