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Old 04-05-2017, 11:00 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
It is certainly that, but it was not always so... When Lincoln created the Republican Party, it was nothing like what it became after 1969 when Nixon drew the Confederate Minded Southerners from the Democratic Party over to dominate the Republican Party.
Now, you can put your icons with the slapp face, tape lips and mad look , Ok, I'll add them for you. and let's add one more....

Ok, I will admit you are correct. I should have said they have been as I described since I became an adult and politically aware.

 
Old 04-05-2017, 01:06 PM
 
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Ok, I will admit you are correct. I should have said they have been as I described since I became an adult and politically aware.
Did not mean to embarrass you, only want to ensure the clarity to support your point was stated. because I know many of the Right Winger Republican will come right back and start saying its the party of Lincoln. when it fact it is "In Today's Format and Function" not of the ideals that Lincoln stood to address.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Fresno, CA
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Yikes. I can't believe this isn't from Obama's Fan Club. Oh yes -- it IS. Fawning Fan Club.
Did you forget Obama's shady, suspect connections? Or they are OK with you because it's Obama, a "traditional President" ?

Amazing how deja-vu this is...all the left wing media talking points ...again. Left wing 'righteous concern about Trump" is an oxymoron. The left has no "righteous" concern.
Evasion, avoidance, denial and deflection of any Trump responsibility= standard response of Trump enablers.

(Don't look at Trump or his alarming behaviors) Instead: "Oh, lookie over there. It's another one of them Obama lovers!"

First of all, I take people as they present based on their behavior/actions, their reputations. And on my assessment of those things based on a long career and a life in which my instinctual ability to size people up has served me well. I belong to no one's fan club. I have learned who earns and is worthy of respect and why. My talking points come from my own brain and the framework of my experience. That's how I process what I hear and see; what to accept, what to reject. I'm not perfect. I do know to trust my own judgment. I'm nobody's sycophant. How about you?

Did Obama have faults and missteps? You betcha. He is human. Per his spoken thoughts and his actions, he had a proven overall good grasp of the realities of the presidency. His intentions lined up with most Americans. He got a lot of constructive things done that bettered most despite the full obstructionism of a Republican congress whose expressed intent was to stonewall him from the moment he walked in the door. (Not because it was warranted but because they chose to. Why?)

You can say there is no righteous concern about Trump, but most Americans (and many, many abroad) disagree. Can you think of Trump's behaviors that would be a cause for concern? Would you admit it if you did? How about you mention what you didn't like about Obama and for each one of those things list a possibly valid concern about Trump. Tit for tat. Deal?

The truth will set you free.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by mollyblythe View Post
Evasion, avoidance, denial and deflection of any Trump responsibility= standard response of Trump enablers.

(Don't look at Trump or his alarming behaviors) Instead: "Oh, lookie over there. It's another one of them Obama lovers!"

First of all, I take people as they present based on their behavior/actions, their reputations. And on my assessment of those things based on a long career and a life in which my instinctual ability to size people up has served me well. I belong to no one's fan club. I have learned who earns and is worthy of respect and why. My talking points come from my own brain and the framework of my experience. That's how I process what I hear and see; what to accept, what to reject. I'm not perfect. I do know to trust my own judgment. I'm nobody's sycophant. How about you?

Did Obama have faults and missteps? You betcha. He is human. Per his spoken thoughts and his actions, he had a proven overall good grasp of the realities of the presidency. His intentions lined up with most Americans. He got a lot of constructive things done that bettered most despite the full obstructionism of a Republican congress whose expressed intent was to stonewall him from the moment he walked in the door. (Not because it was warranted but because they chose to. Why?)

You can say there is no righteous concern about Trump, but most Americans (and many, many abroad) disagree. Can you think of Trump's behaviors that would be a cause for concern? Would you admit it if you did? How about you mention what you didn't like about Obama and for each one of those things list a possibly valid concern about Trump. Tit for tat. Deal?

The truth will set you free.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Fresno, CA
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Oh, by the way, YES I have heard of many wonderful things Trump has done for others. I wouldn't post them here because the "righteous" left would tear them to shreds.
By all means, do share verifications of those things. After all, the proof of the pudding...... You know. I can see why you won't post them if they don't exist. Another evasion, avoidance and deflection, huh? SOP. If there truly were "wonderful things Trump has done", the left and all others who oppose him can't shred them can we? You have a chance to buoy your guy's sinking standing.

"Truly wonderful" may vary. People who are partial to donations to cancer research, Alzheimer's research, aiding those with life crises not of their making (orphans, those stricken with catastrophic illness), etc. might frown on donations to "The Pussy Grabbers Defense Fund", "The Anti-truth in Media Movement", "The Billionaire's Alimony Reserve", the "Eastern European Brides in Waiting Airlift", "Old Golfer"s Penile Implant Grants", "the Old Fascist's Retirement Haven", the "Russian/ American Billionaires' and Money Launderers' Friendship Exchange", the "Foundation for Verification of Right Wing Conspiracy Theories", "Scholarships for Gifted Hackers and Disinformation Specialists", etc.

Trump's priorities are different than most peoples'.

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Old 04-05-2017, 06:44 PM
 
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As you see from most of these responses, Trumpists care more about spiting liberals than they do the safety and future of this country. Half the country won't even hear the concerns of the other half because there is so much hate. You can't question the Orange One without being called a snowflake who needs a safe space. I think Trump = The End, from both inside and outside this country. If he doesn't get us into a nuclear war or collapse the economy, its possible this country could legitimately come apart when he leaves office, however that may happen.

Once again, you say all the things I am thinking in different words. It's literally depressing how far we've gotten. I would not be surprised if they threw us down a river if it was legal and Trump promised it would help them prosper. They won't admit to it of course (esp since it's against the forum rules) but it's looking more that way everyday.

I just got finished rewatching Pocahontas and it's scary how much it resembles our current political climate. I wish I could start tweeting to Trump "Colors of the Wind" though I'm not sure it would do any good.

For now I'm still trying to see him just as a joke and continue to laugh at him but we're going to reach a point where it's no longer funny at all (and you have to consider I've been able to cope with my struggles partly because of humor so if I am finding it harder and harder to laugh that's when you know it has reached the breaking point) so I can see why Alec Baldwin can't do the impression much longer.

I don't know. I wish they would realize how much better it would be for ALL of us if he wasn't in office anymore because I'm worried that as long as he has sycophants he will keep peddling that snake oil.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Fresno, CA
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Originally Posted by Fatty MacButter View Post
That's the perfect analogy for Trump. In fact, I and friends have called him the "Great and Powerful Oddz" for sometime now. Finally, some of his enabler supporters are starting to peak behind his curtain. And he's not looking so "Great and Powerful" anymore. But still very, very Oddz. Don't tell him. It totally pizzes off narcissists and he's one on steroids (or whatever).

His hair is even looking that way when he doesn't take the time to do the orange dye.

Do you wanna know who in the movie resembles Kellyanne, Spicer, etc.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 07:58 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Originally Posted by mollyblythe View Post
By all means, do share verifications of those things. After all, the proof of the pudding...... You know. I can see why you won't post them if they don't exist. Another evasion, avoidance and deflection, huh? SOP. If there truly were "wonderful things Trump has done", the left and all others who oppose him can't shred them can we? You have a chance to buoy your guy's sinking standing.

"Truly wonderful" may vary. People who are partial to donations to cancer research, Alzheimer's research, aiding those with life crises not of their making (orphans, those stricken with catastrophic illness), etc. might frown on donations to "The Pussy Grabbers Defense Fund", "The Anti-truth in Media Movement", "The Billionaire's Alimony Reserve", the "Eastern European Brides in Waiting Airlift", "Old Golfer"s Penile Implant Grants", "the Old Fascist's Retirement Haven", the "Russian/ American Billionaires' and Money Launderers' Friendship Exchange", the "Foundation for Verification of Right Wing Conspiracy Theories", "Scholarships for Gifted Hackers and Disinformation Specialists", etc.

Trump's priorities are different than most peoples'.
Ever hear about admonition to not throw pearls before swine... ?

Thanks. You've just proved my assertion that anything good he might have done would be ridiculed by people like you.

As you say, the proof is in the pudding.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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I was really trying to stay open-minded to this new administration, but he does what he wants and doesn't take into consideration what it may do to our country and our security! He selects people (no experience, like him) from his family for top political positions, he's friendly with Putin, and angers North Korea without any plan at all?

Why does anyone take this lying psychopath seriously? We are in danger!
Many will suffer and many will die. This will cover everything from EPA to health care to wars. In fact, it's already happening. It's not a question of 'snowflakes" - it's a question of whether we are an advanced country and would like to forge ahead or if we want to go backwards.

Meanwhile, we have to push the Russian thing until we sell ALL the information...
 
Old 04-06-2017, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Fresno, CA
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Ever hear about admonition to not throw pearls before swine... ?

Thanks. You've just proved my assertion that anything good he might have done would be ridiculed by people like you. As you say, the proof is in the pudding.
I understand. There are none. Otherwise, Trump and all his faithful would have been boasting, bragging and blaring them about so loud and long, we'd know them by heart and wouldn't be able to escape them. Trump has never been shy in his braggadocio about how wonderful he is. So no altruistic secrets to keep.

Sad. Embarrassing. Dissappointing.
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