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Old 04-06-2017, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Very clear and easy explanation. He didn't need it and there is no shake up. His clearance was given to two others who need it more.
Lol....yeah, because clearances are like that. You have to take one away from someone before you can give it to someone else.

 
Old 04-06-2017, 07:49 AM
 
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Lol....yeah, because clearances are like that. You have to take one away from someone before you can give it to someone else.
They are following "Highlander" clearance rules: There can be only one!
 
Old 04-06-2017, 07:50 AM
 
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So far the body county:

Michael Flynn - NSA
K.T McFarland - Deputy National Security Advisor
Monica Crowley - Senior Director of strategic communications for the White House’s National Security Council reporting to Michael T. Flynn.
Also, Boris Epshteyn was let go. WH press official.


Boris Epshteyn, White House Press Official, Is Let Go | Deadline
 
Old 04-06-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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Yes--Epshteyn is/was friend of Eric Trump
Makes me wonder if Eric might not have been "turned" by Russia as separate "useful idiot" in addition to others in Trump's circle...
That boy is not the brightest bulb in the Trump chandelier but he has access to all those in Trump's aura and to his father...

But the people that are falling away in Trumplandia are important yet not THE important ones
It does show sort of a shift though to more rational minds---
Supposedly the people Ivanka has brought into Trump's WH circle are more rational, conventional and less alt-right POVs--

And remember Priebus's aide Katie Walsh was either "promoted" out to help with lobbying efforts in separate organization or was "fired by Trump" and accused of leaking info...
But she was Priebus's top aide and losing her was definitely cutting away at his power base...

In Feb there were 5-6 other lower staff who were also forced to leave because they were unable to pass the general security clearances--one of whom was Trump's scheduling chief Caroline Wiles....this was really before all the serious trash started
 
Old 04-06-2017, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Agree with a lot of what you said, but from everything I've read, Bannon has not lost clearance. I believe he was at a meeting last night.
It's strange. Bannon can't sit in any more NSC meetings, but he can still sit in on the Presidential meetings that are held NSC briefings.
So while he may not hold one clearance, he still holds some high clearance. At least, for as long as he's around.

Bannon served his purpose in the end days of the campaign, and he has some powerful private interests that put him where he is now, but he hasn't proved to be the master strategist everyone once thought him to be, and his inter-personal skills are not as strong as once believed, either.

So, like Chris Christie and the others who were thrown under the bus earlier, Bannon has to either prove he can do better than Kushner or Priebus or Miller or Conway in selling the Trump brand, or his days are numbered. In low numbers only.
 
Old 04-06-2017, 05:58 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...ole-in-shakeup

Interesting! Wonder what was behind this?

Right as a false flag is set in Syria....
Coincidence?
Is the Deep State going to draw us into a war?
 
Old 04-06-2017, 05:59 PM
 
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Bannon is on his way out. Matter of time.
 
Old 04-06-2017, 06:03 PM
 
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Actually Bannon is PO'ed that Trump went after his base, after being pushed by Kurshner to brow beat them. Going after the Freedom Caucus was not Bannons idea. That is Bannon's people.
Bannon still holds top clearance to do everything he did before. Just like Valarie Jarret did for Obama.
No.
Bannon was charged with selling the goods to the Freedom Caucus in the very last meeting before it all blew up. He alone, not Priebus, nor any underling, was given that charge by Trump, and Bannon totally blew it.

He cannot sit in on any more NSC closed meetings, period. Once off the council, he was barred from their closed meetings, which are almost all of them. So, while he still holds clearance as a presidential advisor to sit into the White House meetings, he's no longer privy to the council's most guarded stuff.

It doesn't matter who pushed him into the meeting. He was ordered to go do the job, and he failed. Obviously, the Freedom Caucus are NOT his people, no matter what you think.
 
Old 04-06-2017, 09:55 PM
 
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On the surface it is a good thing and that it's a good thing will make it a good thing but it seems he is being replaced by those more to the liking of the establishment which is a bad thing.
Don't want to read the whole thread....but my guess would be Jared instigated this. And that's a good thing.
 
Old 04-07-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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No.
Bannon was charged with selling the goods to the Freedom Caucus in the very last meeting before it all blew up. He alone, not Priebus, nor any underling, was given that charge by Trump, and Bannon totally blew it.

He cannot sit in on any more NSC closed meetings, period. Once off the council, he was barred from their closed meetings, which are almost all of them. So, while he still holds clearance as a presidential advisor to sit into the White House meetings, he's no longer privy to the council's most guarded stuff.

It doesn't matter who pushed him into the meeting. He was ordered to go do the job, and he failed. Obviously, the Freedom Caucus are NOT his people, no matter what you think.
I think Bannon is really more of a megalomaniac than Trump
He thought the Freedom Caucus members --who all are in fairly safe districts because of strategic gerrymandering over the past decade and the natural inclination of the voters in their xenophobic areas-- would just kowtow to him and reverse their political stances to push Trump/Ryan's very ill-conceived health care bill...
Bannon really does not understand POLITICS at all--
He does have insight into manipulation of the masses--propaganda to cultists--and the psychology of the alt-right...
But those Freedom Caucus guys are not the alt-right Bannon usually deals with--they aren't the conspiracy nut that Robert Mercer is--so Bannon failed in the most essential step of strategy--to understand the opponent

Trump HATES a loser--and losing passage of the Health Care Bill AND the two Travel Bans are big time face-planting events...
Bannon has been very capable at manipulating Trump in the past--
Bannon cultivated Trump during those radio talk feasts and other early meetings much the same way Russian spys cultivate "useful idiots" to serve their own needs...
But without a campaign to run Bannon's skills might be out of place in the political milieu--
He doesn't really have political POWER to use---he has no history with the people in Congress, no political clout to use as manipulation--
So Kushner and Ivanka have brought in more conventional political and business strategists on their side of the WH staff...those people stand in direct opposition to Bannon and Miller
McMaster has NO USE for Bannon at all--nor does Mattis--

This is going to be an intercine struggle for the mind and power of Donald Trump
And just because Bannon seems to be losing power doesn't mean that is how it will end up
But Kushner (though Ivanka or on his own) obviously has a hold on Trump that few people do
I don't know exactly WHY he does--but it seems to be a strong bond and Kushner really has no egg on his face yet--like Bannon, Priebus, Flynn, and others do...
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