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Old 04-11-2017, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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So if its a missile launched from a drone its ok, but if its a missile launched from a ship its not?
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strikes against ISIS and other terrorists are authorized by Congress
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Old 04-11-2017, 12:52 PM
 
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strikes against ISIS and other terrorists are authorized by Congress
Hang in there.

I'm not sure why it is so hard for folks to understand that attacking the Syrian Air Force is way different than going after ISIS.
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Old 04-11-2017, 01:09 PM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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Not at all.

Drone strikes against ISIS and other terrorists are authorized by Congress under the act passed by them after 9/11. However, attacks like Trumps missile salvo need authorization.
Apparently not, hence the broad bipartisan support.
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Old 04-11-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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Apparently not, hence the broad bipartisan support.
Having "support" is meaningless. Either you have official authorization, or you don't, and Trump did not. Either you obey the Constitution or you ignore it, and Trump ignored it.
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Old 04-11-2017, 01:17 PM
 
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Hang in there.

I'm not sure why it is so hard for folks to understand that attacking the Syrian Air Force is way different than going after ISIS.
They should ask Rand Paul explain it, because he put is very clearly on Sunday when he talked about it.
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Old 04-11-2017, 02:05 PM
 
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Having "support" is meaningless. Either you have official authorization, or you don't, and Trump did not. Either you obey the Constitution or you ignore it, and Trump ignored it.
You said that Trump gave Assad a license to kill when you thought he wasn't going to respond. Now you are complaining that Trump wasn't authorized to do anything.

You can't have it both ways.
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Old 04-11-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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Having "support" is meaningless. Either you have official authorization, or you don't, and Trump did not. Either you obey the Constitution or you ignore it, and Trump ignored it.
You don't even know what the Constitution says about it. It only says Congress has the sole power to *declare* war. The War Powers Act of 1973 says the President must get authorization within 60 days of initiating action, which has been widely interpreted that he can act immediately on his own but cannot sustain operations without approval.

In this instance, it has not been 60 days and he has not sustained actions.

Until such time as you are a federal judge ruling on it, your interpretation of "war" is irrelevant.
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Old 04-11-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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You don't even know what the Constitution says about it. It only says Congress has the sole power to *declare* war. The War Powers Act of 1973 says the President must get authorization within 60 days of initiating action, which has been widely interpreted that he can act immediately on his own but cannot sustain operations without approval.

In this instance, it has not been 60 days and he has not sustained actions.

Until such time as you are a federal judge ruling on it, your interpretation of "war" is irrelevant.
Only, and ONLY if there is a "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

None of that is true regarding Assad. The attack was motivated by Trump's emotions and emotional pleas from his daughter.
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Old 04-11-2017, 02:20 PM
 
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None of that is true regarding Assad. The attack was motivated by Trump's emotions and emotional pleas from his daughter.
You didn't say that when you thought Trump wasn't going to do anything. You accused Trump of giving Assad a license to kill. Sounds like a lot of emotion on your part.


The reality is that Trump dealt with a war crime and because of his actions there are no chemical weapons being used now. It's not any more complicated than that.
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Old 04-11-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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strikes against ISIS and other terrorists are authorized by Congress
No the 2001 AUMF is limited to entities that have direct ties to the group of terrorists that conducted the World Trade Center bombing.

https://www.congress.gov/107/plaws/p...-107publ40.pdf

Examples where it was illegally invoked was the military action in Libya and the airstrikes in Northern Syria against the fictional Khorasan Group.

It's never been used to go after the governments who bankrolled Al Qaeda or assisted it in the plot in other ways. The US may have clandestinely eliminated a few individuals linked to it (I recall about 4).

There was a law crafted to authorize military actions against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant but it never passed to my knowledge. Obama often claimed that he wanted to go to war but that the Republican Congress would impeach him. Once in Iraq, he refused to fight Islamic State unless the Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki stepped down.
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