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Old 04-17-2017, 08:35 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Meanwhile, here is a view showing far larger gaps than the "little space" behind/between booths where even the largest adult could fit.
Until more information is released, we don't know whether he accessed an open gap, or climbed over the back of a booth and into the little space.

Climbing over restaurant furniture is wildly inappropriate behavior, and yes, the parents would be at fault for enabling the child to do so by not supervising him.
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Old 04-17-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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I suspect there will be a lawsuit and the parents' attorneys will echo the posts on this thread.

It doesn't change the fact that if they had been paying attention, they'd be cuddling their little boy tonight.

Just as thousand of others patrons of all ages survived this restaurant of danger.
Exactly. Is any kind of $$$ settlement/award going to make up for the fact that the parents failed to adequately supervise their son and that cost him his life? I sincerely doubt it.

Public places are NOT 100% childproof. You can no more let a 5 year old child wander unsupervised in a restaurant than you can drop him off by himself at a public pool.
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Old 04-17-2017, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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While this is a tragic accident, if the restaurant operators had been paying attention to dangerous layout they created, this wouldn't have happened.

Here's a newsflash to every internet perfect-parent out there: 5-year-olds do not behave like adults at a Victorian tea party 100% of the time whether you want them to or not, whether you watch them or not. Yours won't or didn't either no matter how much you insist otherwise. And during those times when they predictably don't, their being crushed to death is not an expected or foreseeable outcome. So yes this restaurant will be sued, and they will deserve to lose every penny they'll be forced to cough up.
If the parents had kept their childs butt in his seat this wouldn't have happened. Yes, children sometimes act up, but that is no reason to allow the child to be out of their seat in a restaurant. My children weren't perfect angels when out in public, but they did not go roaming around restaurants, they stayed in their seats until dinner was finished. If they simply couldn't behave we left and went home.

It's not really difficult to keep a child in their seat or remove them and yourself from the restaurant.
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Old 04-17-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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The photos show a bar with a balcony and a railing. A child could climb on that railing and fall to his death.
Indeed it does. The ceiling of that restaurant is about 3 stories high and there are platforms above it for viewing and dining. An unsupervised child could climb up on a chair and go over the side to his death. In looking at that last photo of those curved seats, it's not clear to me there was a design flaw. The real perspective is missing. The child may have climbed up to a place where he shouldn't have been expected to be and fell in.

OSHA is investigating. We will need to hear what they have to say about it.
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Old 04-17-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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The negligent design of the layout has everything to do with why the kid is dead.
There are any number of children who survived eating at this restaurant despite the way it was designed.

This little boy is dead because his parents didn't supervise him.
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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This is the problem with today's society. It's always someone else's fault. People never take ownership of their own problems.

People today just can't admit that they made a mistake or are lousy parents and that's why their kid got into trouble.

A perfect example is the backup camera requirement on cars. We've been doing fine for a century without backup cameras, but because idiot parents can't keep an eye on their kids, they blame the car visibility for backing over the kid on the tricycle.

It's always someone else's fault, but never their own.
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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We should compare the reactions on this thread - to another week-end tragedy making it's way on social media.

That of an ex-NFL player who ran over his own daughter.

UNIVERSALLY, I have seen nothing but sympathy for this man, described as a good, god-fearing man. No questions about drug testing, etc.

I compare that to THIS topic here and elsewhere on social media - where these parents are condemned to hell for letting their child be 4-5 feet away.

What up people?
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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This is the problem with today's society. It's always someone else's fault. People never take ownership of their own problems.
Exactly. Read the 'blame everyone else but the parents who failed to adequately supervise their son' posts in this thread.

Now you know why our society has turned into a 'safe space' needing, feelings coddled, 'micro-agressed,' 'snowflake' population that is ill-equipped to deal with life in the real world which is NOT 100% guaranteed to have the experience/outcome they want.

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Old 04-17-2017, 09:53 AM
 
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We should compare the reactions on this thread - to another week-end tragedy making it's way on social media.

That of an ex-NFL player who ran over his own daughter.

UNIVERSALLY, I have seen nothing but sympathy for this man, described as a good, god-fearing man. No questions about drug testing, etc.

I compare that to THIS topic here and elsewhere on social media - where these parents are condemned to hell for letting their child be 4-5 feet away.

What up people?
Have not weighed in on Todd Heap backing over his little girl, but last I heard everyone is saying he was negligent. No one is saying that it was the fault of the truck.

Nor have a read anything about condemning these parents to hell for not supervising their little boy.

Regardless of who you want to blame, had they provided appropriate supervision, they would be holding him tonight.
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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We should compare the reactions on this thread - to another week-end tragedy making it's way on social media.

That of an ex-NFL player who ran over his own daughter.

UNIVERSALLY, I have seen nothing but sympathy for this man, described as a good, god-fearing man. No questions about drug testing, etc.

I compare that to THIS topic here and elsewhere on social media - where these parents are condemned to hell for letting their child be 4-5 feet away.

What up people?
How is backing up and running over his own daughter NOT his fault?
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