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The globalist were trying to create the USA over in Europe, with a uniting of nation States.
Well, unlike the USA, they are trying to start without liberty. They are trying to kick off this thing with control, not liberty as the goal.
They don't have our Constitution, and especially the attributes to liberty, the 1st, 2nd amendments, and 10th amendments afford free people.
It is not going to work, when a centralized power is making the call for you and you cannot say no, even as you see the tremendous threat it imposes on you.
They cannot speak out, or have criminal charges waged upon them, and what do they have to fight the oppression? Sticks, rocks and knives?
The globalist were trying to create the USA over in Europe, with a uniting of nation States.
Well, unlike the USA, they are trying to start without liberty. They are trying to kick off this thing with control, not liberty as the goal.
They don't have our Constitution, and especially the attributes to liberty, the 1st, 2nd amendments, and 10th amendments afford free people.
It is not going to work, when a centralized power is making the call for you and you cannot say no, even as you see the tremendous threat it imposes on you.
They cannot speak out, or have criminal charges waged upon them, and what do they have to fight the oppression? Sticks, rocks and knives?
Before the American civil war we were not united by force. We are now. EU members are not forced into the EU. Keep in mind, in our early years liberty was granted only for a select group. The 13 colonies also shared a common language, culture overall and a common beginning. Europe is ancient, containing several cultures, different histories and languages.
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Well. The American "experiment" is hardly finished.
It's been going somewhat well since 1865. Granted this was achieved through smashing The confederacy ( secessionist ) into submission federal (central) government. Those secessionist really didn't get much of a vote at the end of day did they. I guess you could say they lost liberty to end our great American "experiment".
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The globalist were trying to create the USA over in Europe, with a uniting of nation States.
Well, unlike the USA, they are trying to start without liberty. They are trying to kick off this thing with control, not liberty as the goal.
They don't have our Constitution, and especially the attributes to liberty, the 1st, 2nd amendments, and 10th amendments afford free people.
It is not going to work, when a centralized power is making the call for you and you cannot say no, even as you see the tremendous threat it imposes on you.
They cannot speak out, or have criminal charges waged upon them, and what do they have to fight the oppression? Sticks, rocks and knives?
The UK is leaving and quite a few other countries are not full members of the EU.
In terms of a Bill of Rights the nearest thing Europe has is the European Convention on Humen Rights (ECHR) which is enshrined in Law with Justice administered by the Courts including the European Court of Human Rights.
The ECHR being a seperate organisation to the European Union.
The globalist were trying to create the USA over in Europe, with a uniting of nation States.
Well, unlike the USA, they are trying to start without liberty. They are trying to kick off this thing with control, not liberty as the goal.
They don't have our Constitution, and especially the attributes to liberty, the 1st, 2nd amendments, and 10th amendments afford free people.
It is not going to work, when a centralized power is making the call for you and you cannot say no, even as you see the tremendous threat it imposes on you.
They cannot speak out, or have criminal charges waged upon them, and what do they have to fight the oppression? Sticks, rocks and knives?
They don't have a constitution, because (contrary to your claim) it was never meant to be one nation, but an economic area.
They don't have a constitution, because (contrary to your claim) it was never meant to be one nation, but an economic area.
You are right that the EU was never supposed to be a country or nation on its own.
But we do in fact have the constitutions of 27 sovereign member states supplemented by both the European Convention of Human Rights and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.
This leaves you with the national constitutional courts, the European Court of Justice and/or the European Court of Human Rights in case a country infringes upon your rights.
Considering the other provisions of both the Treaty on the European Union and the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, both of which are sometimes considered to be similar to a country's constitution, I wouldn't say that the power within the EU is centralised or that we only have sticks, rocks and knives to protect ourselves from an overreaching government.
The globalist were trying to create the USA over in Europe, with a uniting of nation States.
Well, unlike the USA, they are trying to start without liberty. They are trying to kick off this thing with control, not liberty as the goal.
They don't have our Constitution, and especially the attributes to liberty, the 1st, 2nd amendments, and 10th amendments afford free people.
It is not going to work, when a centralized power is making the call for you and you cannot say no, even as you see the tremendous threat it imposes on you.
They cannot speak out, or have criminal charges waged upon them, and what do they have to fight the oppression? Sticks, rocks and knives?
You're missing an important point. The EU is a type of confederacy where independent states keep their independence to a large degree but still have a loose government holding them all together. This never works. It's never worked anywhere in the world before and it's not working in Europe. Brexit is a good example of that.
You're missing an important point. The EU is a type of confederacy where independent states keep their independence to a large degree but still have a loose government holding them all together. This never works. It's never worked anywhere in the world before and it's not working in Europe. Brexit is a good example of that.
To be honest, I think it worked out rather well during the last 60 years. Mind you, there is the occasional hick-up and there is certainly room for a lot of improvement.
While Brexit was/is indeed very unfortunate, I'm not entirely sure if it really happened due to the "loose government holding them all together" (aka Brussels) or because of much, much deeper issues within the UK.
That said, I am confident that all parties learnt their lessons and both the EU and the UK can continue to develop the way they want. Parting ways might have been the only way to achieve this.
The globalist were trying to create the USA over in Europe, with a uniting of nation States.
Well, unlike the USA, they are trying to start without liberty. They are trying to kick off this thing with control, not liberty as the goal.
They don't have our Constitution, and especially the attributes to liberty, the 1st, 2nd amendments, and 10th amendments afford free people.
It is not going to work, when a centralized power is making the call for you and you cannot say no, even as you see the tremendous threat it imposes on you.
They cannot speak out, or have criminal charges waged upon them, and what do they have to fight the oppression? Sticks, rocks and knives?
you talk as if the United Stated "kicked off" with liberty.
In 1790, only a small number of white males have the "liberty". Most of the founding fathers had dozens of slaves.
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