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View Poll Results: Do you support a Medicare-for-all single payer system?
Yes 135 78.03%
No 38 21.97%
Voters: 173. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-26-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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You obviously are unable to process what is being said. Total health care costs for a health care system means lifetime costs, not cutting off the age at 64.
Exactly, which means all the higher health care costs of the obese under age 65 would be shouldered by the federal government under your Medicare for All single payer proposal. So, let's recap:

Obesity Now Costs Americans More In HealthCare Spending Than Smoking
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Old 04-26-2017, 07:57 AM
 
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Exactly, which means all the higher health care costs of the obese under age 65 would be shouldered by the federal government under your Medicare for All single payer proposal. So, let's recap:

Obesity Now Costs Americans More In HealthCare Spending Than Smoking
As long as they die younger, its not a major driver of total health care costs for a health care system anyway, but you obviously dont seem to comprehend this.
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Old 04-26-2017, 07:58 AM
 
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I am not against a federal sales tax or VAT at all. Australia has a 10% sales tax. Switzerland 8%.
And on top of that, all the Swiss must buy their own health insurance plan at an expense of up to 8% of their income. No freebies. Would you be up for that in the US?
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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And on top of that, all the Swiss must buy their own health insurance plan at an expense of up to 8% of their income. No freebies. Would you be up for that in the US?
Yes. Totally in favor of that. If you dont have the money, you get it subsidized anyway. Everyone is covered and no one goes bankrupt because of cancer and is denied treatment and medicine.

Its not a question about what the people want though, its a question about how much bribe money the GOP and the corporate democrats get from the health care industry which you relentlessly carry the water for.
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:06 AM
 
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Yes. Totally in favor of that. If you dont have the money, you get it subsidized anyway.
No, everyone pays 8% of their income for health insurance, plus an 8% national VAT tax on top of that. There are no freebies, as no one has zero income.
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:07 AM
 
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The major savings in a single payer system id the insurance companies would not part of it. The huge costs of these private businesses would not be there. The Federal government only costs about 3% of the money in Medicare. another savings is the government as single buyer could force competitive pricing on the care and drug companies. Things like the Narcan scandal would never happen. Doctors would earn plenty, insurance company executives a lot less.


To pay for this I suggest a complete change in our tax system. Federal Income tax would be based entirely in all income from all sources (corporate retained earnings would be considered income) less a deduction set at the 90th percentile. Income over that would be progressively taxed from 10% to 90%, based on the percentile above 90%, sufficient to pay for the cost of government so Federal Debt could be eliminated.


My rational for taxing the upper crustaceans so heavily is they own the economy so they should pay for managing it. Also the economy would grow far faster if the lower 90% had more money to invest as well as spend for goods and services.
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:09 AM
 
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Yes. Totally in favor of that. If you dont have the money, you get it subsidized anyway. Everyone is covered and no one goes bankrupt because of cancer and is denied treatment and medicine.

Its not a question about what the people want though, its a question about how much bribe money the GOP and the corporate democrats get from the health care industry which you relentlessly carry the water for.
Try having health care without providers. Do I need to remind you that many medical practices won't take Medicare and Medicaid patients because the federal government's reimbursement rates are too low?
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:11 AM
 
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As if Government doesn't already own your ass....
You are a government slave, to get them out of debt.
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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The major savings in a single payer system id the insurance companies would not part of it. The huge costs of these private businesses would not be there. The Federal government only costs about 3% of the money in Medicare. another savings is the government as single buyer could force competitive pricing on the care and drug companies. Things like the Narcan scandal would never happen. Doctors would earn plenty, insurance company executives a lot less.


To pay for this I suggest a complete change in our tax system. Federal Income tax would be based entirely in all income from all sources (corporate retained earnings would be considered income) less a deduction set at the 90th percentile. Income over that would be progressively taxed from 10% to 90%, based on the percentile above 90%, sufficient to pay for the cost of government so Federal Debt could be eliminated.


My rational for taxing the upper crustaceans so heavily is they own the economy so they should pay for managing it. Also the economy would grow far faster if the lower 90% had more money to invest as well as spend for goods and services.
Your rationale is based on emotion, not logic or actual economics. Try reading economists on this. It's eye-opening. More info on that in this post:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/47957138-post99.html
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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No, everyone pays 8% of their income for health insurance, plus an 8% national VAT tax on top of that. There are no freebies, as no one has zero income.
Of course some people have zero income. Everyone gets insurance no matter what in Switzerland. If you cant pay, you get it subsidized. If the premium is higher than 8% of your income, you get subsidies.

The Swiss system is paid for by the insurance premiums. Their system costs is 11.5% of GDP and the VAT is not used to fund the health care system.
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