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Old 04-28-2017, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Ya, just wondering when we should start encouraging 1/5th of America to trade in their food stamps for a living in a factory. Because I just don't see it happening. We don't have the skilled workforce any longer. Our population is too old (demographics not suitable for mass production). And factories tend not to attract top talent, or brain cells worth retaining. Maybe Obama's economic plan was right. Maybe every American should become a doctor, lawyer, or welfare recipient. I'll gladly see my way out of this country if it has come to this point, but I maintain some hope that things may change in my life time...

From what I have observed, average factory jobs are paying no more than they were 10 years ago. One would be quite foolish to pursue a profession where they must work hard for ever declining wages.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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Have you seen the new Tesla factory?

Heres a article on all the manufacturing jobs brought back!

https://futurism.com/leaked-photos-f...uild-model-3s/

100's of robots.

Welcome to the future!
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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Ya, just wondering when we should start encouraging 1/5th of America to trade in their food stamps for a living in a factory. Because I just don't see it happening. We don't have the skilled workforce any longer. Our population is too old (demographics not suitable for mass production). And factories tend not to attract top talent, or brain cells worth retaining. Maybe Obama's economic plan was right. Maybe every American should become a doctor, lawyer, or welfare recipient. I'll gladly see my way out of this country if it has come to this point, so I retain some hope that things may change in my life time...
We've already discussed this the US needs to emulate what Germany does which is small machine shops and so on that specialize in certain things.

Also mechanical and industrial engineers will be in huge demand. They can automate everything stuff is still going to break down, have glitches, and improvements will need made to the robots and so on.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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We've already discussed this the US needs to emulate what Germany does which is small machine shops and so on that specialize in certain things.

Also mechanical and industrial engineers will be in huge demand. They can automate everything stuff is still going to break down, have glitches, and improvements will need made to the robots and so on.
US used to do this. Then the Marxists took over. The rest is history.

And when it comes to American business owners, your plan won't sell. Those are salesman you are talking to, and they can do "everything" better than everyone else, always. They are the best salesman to be found, I guarantee that. But far too often, they are not experts in the work itself. Their job is to hire experts to do the work. It makes for a very expensive system that most consumers absolutely will not pay for when there are cheaper options (like slaves in Asia).

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Have you seen the new Tesla factory?

Heres a article on all the manufacturing jobs brought back!

https://futurism.com/leaked-photos-f...uild-model-3s/

100's of robots.

Welcome to the future!
Robots don't consume. They are also not nearly as versatile as a human. Robotics is in it's infancy. The US is also not nearly as automated as people claim. We actually have a great deal of catching up to do with tons of developed nations. Our policy for the last 20 years has been, don't invest to compete in "dying" industries.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:11 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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There was an article on CNN a while ago talking about how the biggest impediment to American manufacturing jobs isn't China, it's automation.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:14 PM
 
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Keep raising that min wage. and watch what's left disappear
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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US used to do this. Then the Marxists took over. The rest is history.

And when it comes to American business owners, your plan won't sell. Those are salesman you are talking to, and they can do "everything" better than everyone else, always. They are the best salesman to be found, I guarantee that. But far too often, they are not experts in the work itself. Their job is to hire experts to do the work. It makes for a very expensive system that most consumers absolutely will not pay for when there are cheaper options (like slaves in Asia).



Robots don't consume. They are also not nearly as versatile as a human. Robotics is in it's infancy. The US is also not nearly as automated as people claim. We actually have a great deal of catching up to do with tons of developed nations. Our policy for the last 20 years has been, don't invest to compete in "dying" industries.
You are in denial. Seriously, robotics is FAR more capable then in the past. And its RAPIDLY increasing.

And while not quite as versatile, they are FAR more capable. And they dont stop.

Robotics is leaving its infancy. Take a look at the Tesla factory link I posted.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:16 PM
 
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Keep raising that min wage. and watch what's left disappear
And? Whats your point? Its going to happen anyways, your argument is simply "let people be poor because its better to work them, then the robots even if they can't afford a apartment and have to be subsidized by the government"
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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You are in denial. Seriously, robotics is FAR more capable then in the past. And its RAPIDLY increasing.

And while not quite as versatile, they are FAR more capable. And they dont stop.

Robotics is leaving its infancy. Take a look at the Tesla factory link I posted.
I hope you're right. It would be a huge leap forward if we could integrate robotics into our rather old and outdated industrial sector. But, I fear that robotics and automation will only further divide this nation, not lift all boats. That would be a terrible tragedy, and would probably leave America in no better shape overall.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:22 PM
 
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You are in denial. Seriously, robotics is FAR more capable then in the past. And its RAPIDLY increasing.

And while not quite as versatile, they are FAR more capable. And they dont stop.

Robotics is leaving its infancy. Take a look at the Tesla factory link I posted.
Yep. I think most people are unaware of how fast automation is coming at us. And we are not prepared for the fallout. And it's not just in blue collar factory jobs, it's coming to white collar jobs as well, and sooner than we are prepared for.

So the answer to the OP is, the good paying factory jobs ain't coming back. If you believed Trump, you were sold a bill of goods by a very good con man.
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