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there is no way we could keep the cost below 5k per person with 320 million people... no way singlepayer would be as low as 850 billion....
number of americans with heart disease: 29.2 million and of those..((Number of visits with heart disease as primary diagnosis: 17 million ))((Number of discharges with heart disease as first-listed diagnosis: 4.9 million)).....900,000 people in the USA die from heart disease annually....the cost 590 billion annually
will cardiac care be covered under a singlepayer...or would that massive expense be classified as ''not covered'' or "sorry you smoke, or eat too much" not covered??
number of americans in full pledged nursing homes: 2.5 million...... the average cost Adult Day Health Care,.20,000 per year......assisted living facility 45,000 per year....nursing home (semi-private room),.85,000 per year.......nursing home (private room),.96,000
number of americans in all levels of nursing homes and assisted living....12 million (Annually 11,995,100 people receive support from the 5 main long-term care service; home health agencies (5,742,500), nursing homes (2,383,700), hospices (1,544,500), residential care communities (913,300) and adult day service centers (373,200)...............total cost of long term care 590 billion annually...and going up every year https://www.genworth.com/corporate/a...t-of-care.html
will nursing homes be covered under a singlepayer...or would that massive expense be classified as ''not covered''??
number of americans with diabetes: 31 million....total cost 325 billion per year
there 1.5 trillion right there with 3 inflictions that Americans have
More than 26 million Americans have significant vision loss.((a total of 85 million Americans have potentially blinding eye diseases. )) (((hmmm more than 26 million americans are blind or going blind.....that's more than Norway, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, and Austria COMBINED TOTAL population....)))......The cost of vision loss, including direct costs and lost productivity, is estimated to exceed $141 billion
singlepayer would cost between 3.5 TRILLION and 6 trillion OR MORE, ANNUALLY.....and will INCREASE everyyear...the taxpayers cant afford that.....that is fact
you have been repeatedly debunked on this claim.
ONLY 28 million americans do NOT have healthcare right this second, it will not cost trillions to insure them in and you know it.
Huh?? Why? That's the best estimate we have. You can't just carp on about "% of GDP" and "well other countries..." if you want to actually deal in reality.
No, thats not the best estimate we have at all. Comparison to the rest of the world is always necessary. There is a reason why every single developed country has a national health care system and why they all lie in the 9-11.5% range of GDP.
America is the only country WITHOUT a national health care system. Its also a huge outlier in that spending is 18% of GDP.
Its utterly irrational and absurd to simply ignore how other countries that bring their donor class to heel ensure high quality care for a fraction of the price. Dealing with reality means that we must move away from a system where we allow the market forces to charge WHATEVER THE MARKET WILL BEAR. That is the main problem with our system. Its price gouging at every level on an epic scale. That must be addressed, just like the rest of the world does. And that means substantial savings like every other developed country sees.
The current system is immoral, unsustainable and extremely inefficient.
Did you misunderstand the question, or the answer?
Saying that federal spending will increase is only half of the equation (and is either purposely misleading or, as mentioned, demonstrative of a lack of understanding the situation).
What's the other half?
I'll give you a hint, you highlighted some of it.
I already explained it. The $1,500 savings per employee goes to the investors, the majority of whom are the American workers and retirees who in aggregate have $27 trillion invested in employers' stock shares, debt, etc.
That's why implementing a 25% VAT tax to pay for single payer should be no big deal. Pay the VAT, but reap the rewards in pensions and retirement account appreciation.
What private funding? There is no private funding in single payer health care, only Fed Gov funding.
Of course there is. Do you think all national health care systems pay for plastic surgery for their local Kim Kardashians? Of 100% total health care costs in our country, 80% would be public funding, 20% private. Thats a good estimate. Germany is at 78%. UK 83%.
Of course there is. Do you think all national health care systems pay for plastic surgery for their local Kim Kardashians? Of 100% total health care costs in our country, 80% would be public funding, 20% private. Thats a good estimate. Germany is at 78%. UK 83%.
Private funding doesn't pay for medically necessary care under single payer. The Fed Gov pays. It's already been explained to you that shifting that cost from employers and individuals to the Fed Gov will cost the Fed Gov an additional $3.2 trillion per year over a 10 year time frame.
ONLY 28 million americans do NOT have healthcare right this second, it will not cost trillions to insure them in and you know it.
no I have not been debunked
currently about 30 million don't have INSURANCE
but it will cost trillions to the government (the taxpayer) to cover all 320 million people...this is not just about the 30 million that choose not to/ or cant get insurance......
how much does each and every American and/ employer spend on the insurance they already have...that cost gets transferred to the government
the cost to the government for singlepayer will be in the 4-6 trillion dollar range.... and the cost to the government is the cost to the taxpayer
I already explained it. The $1,500 savings per employee goes to the investors, the majority of whom are the American workers and retirees who in aggregate have $27 trillion invested in employers' stock shares, debt, etc.
That's why implementing a 25% VAT tax to pay for single payer should be no big deal. Pay the VAT, but reap the rewards in pensions and retirement account appreciation.
Sure, but that's only part of it.
I'll ask the question again, how much more expensive do you think this single payer system would be?
Another hint, only counting how much more the federal government would have to pay is only one side of the equation.
You almost have it right here
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
how much does each and every American and/ employer spend on the insurance they already have...that cost gets transferred to the government
the cost to the government for singlepayer will be in the 4-6 trillion dollar range.... and the cost to the government is the cost to the taxpayer
7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."
In regards to New Zealand, this is something I've never heard before, and doesn't match my impressions of the general feeling towards the healthcare system.
My experience is that people here seldom talk about the healthcare system, until they need it, and that they are generally satisfied about the level of care that they receive.
Private funding doesn't pay for medically necessary care under single payer.
Of course it does. There are plenty of co-pays and deductibles in a single payer system as well. Just far, far lower than in America, controlled to a reasonable level in order to ensure a good balance between limiting abuse of the system and ensuring good access for all regardless of income. Not to mention other privately funded health care spending that single payer systems often dont cover, but sometimes do.
20% of all health care spending being privately funded is perfectly reasonable and in line with the rest of the developed world.
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