Why did the Holocaust happen? (atrocities, politicians, economy, vs)
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In places like nyc for example. They do not acknowledge that 6 million Jews die. They acknowledge that 11 million Jews were executed by the nazis. The Holocaust is not about gypsies, homosexuals, Catholics and so on. It is mainly about Jews and the Jewish people. As for me. I associate the Holocaust with all groups who were targeted. Liberal minded people only a knowledge that the Jews were killed by the nazis.
No, No one in NYC states 11 Million Jews. It's 6 Million Jews plus others.
‘Remember the 11 million’? Why an inflated victims tally irks Holocaust historians
It can be traced back to the Treaty of Versailles. There is no comparison of BMW or Benz of the pre-WW1 era to the one's that started up in the 1950's.
The point I was making is the the Germans are the most intelligent people on Earth. They weren't fooled by anyone. They were scared.
Majority of people I know of only knows Jews were killed. They forget about the others who were killed by thr nazi regime. People must remember that world war 2 was a brutal war. People forget that world 2 massacres involved other racial, ethnic and political group. Japanese killed many in Nanking. Soviets raped many women when it streameolled into central Europe. the Americans dropped an innovative weapon that vaporized hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese people. The Germans killed millions of people outside the realm of its extermination facilities. Britain fired bomb the hell out of German cities. People tend to ignore all of these factors. This is why world war 2 and thr Holocaust is a touch subject for everyone.
Jews did not have their own homeland and own sovereignty representation. After that, it only took a madman like Hitler to stirrup anti-Jew sentiment. Mexicans and Muslims will not suffer the same holocaust.
This is going to sound funny or maybe even a little bit rude, but if you honestly think that the Holocaust is the worst man has done to man, then it's only because it's had better press.
Consider the time frame.
After the Wannsee Conference in January 1942, the Nazis began the systematic deportation of Jews from all over Europe to six extermination camps established in former Polish territory -- Chelmno , Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz-Birkenau, and Majdanek. Extermination camps were killing centers designed to carry out genocide. About three million Jews were gassed in extermination camps.
In its entirety, the "Final Solution" consisted of gassings, shootings, random acts of terror, disease, and starvation that accounted for the deaths of about six million Jews -- two-thirds of European Jewry. https://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/ar...uleId=10007704
In less than 4 years Hitler and the Nazis exterminated more than 6M Jews, nearly 70% of ALL European Jews.
The Jewish population of the world still hasn't recovered some 80 years later.
In terms of total numbers is it the worst? No
In terms of nearly wiping out an entire lineage of people is the worst? Arguably it is.
Holocaust: destruction or slaughter on a mass scale
I don't know why anyone would believe this is a matter of better press.
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The point I was making is the the Germans are the most intelligent people on Earth. They weren't fooled by anyone. They were scared.
The bolded: Not true. After the concentration camps were liberated, the US Army rounded up all of the surrounding towns people and walked them through the camps, forced them to look at the piles of dead Jews, opened the ovens for them to see what their complicity wrought.
The responsibility of the German people as a whole for the Holocaust has once again become a matter of heated debate since the publication of Daniel Jonah Goldhagen's book Hitler's Willing Executioners in 1996. Goldhagen argues that the great majority of Germans (including Austrians) knew and approved of the extermination of the Jews, and that most would have actively participated in it had they been asked to do so.
The German people became a group think herd. They excused their actions because it was either the law, their job, or both. Much is the same for extreme ideologues throughout the ages who have used such excuses to do really bad things. The German people left their intelligence at the door.
After the Wannsee Conference in January 1942, the Nazis began the systematic deportation of Jews from all over Europe to six extermination camps established in former Polish territory -- Chelmno , Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz-Birkenau, and Majdanek. Extermination camps were killing centers designed to carry out genocide. About three million Jews were gassed in extermination camps.
In its entirety, the "Final Solution" consisted of gassings, shootings, random acts of terror, disease, and starvation that accounted for the deaths of about six million Jews -- two-thirds of European Jewry. https://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/ar...uleId=10007704
In less than 4 years Hitler and the Nazis exterminated more than 6M Jews, nearly 70% of ALL European Jews.
The Jewish population of the world still hasn't recovered some 80 years later.
In terms of total numbers is it the worst? No
In terms of nearly wiping out an entire lineage of people is the worst? Arguably it is.
Holocaust: destruction or slaughter on a mass scale
I don't know why anyone would believe this is a matter of better press.
The bolded: Not true. After the concentration camps were liberated, the US Army rounded up all of the surrounding towns people and walked them through the camps, forced them to look at the piles of dead Jews, opened the ovens for them to see what their complicity wrought.
The responsibility of the German people as a whole for the Holocaust has once again become a matter of heated debate since the publication of Daniel Jonah Goldhagen's book Hitler's Willing Executioners in 1996. Goldhagen argues that the great majority of Germans (including Austrians) knew and approved of the extermination of the Jews, and that most would have actively participated in it had they been asked to do so.
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Consider the time frame. the great majority of Germans (including Austrians) knew and approved of the extermination of the Jews, and that most would have actively participated in it had they been asked to do so.
The German people became a group think herd. They excused their actions because it was either the law, their job, or both. Much is the same for extreme ideologues throughout the ages who have used such excuses to do really bad things. The German people left their intelligence at the door.
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All that needs to be said.
Go ask a German and they will tell you about the Holocaust, just like asking an American to tell anyone about the American Civil War.
"But the Leitkultur debate in Germany has another dimension that has a lot to do with the Germans themselves, and their history. The crimes of the Nazi regime, committed in Germany's name, destroyed all of the country's patriotic traditions, and the deep shock that ensued meant that it was decades before anything approximating a new sense of national pride could be created. Only in 2006, at the time of the FIFA World Cup - hosted by Germany - could one finally see German flags waving in the streets without it prompting negative associations, and that was more than 60 years after the end of World War II. It was the beginning of a new, healthier sense of patriotism, one that did not arise from excessive exaltation."
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However, America hung on to her sense of patriotism. Germany, not so much. So why would any one think that the majority of German's citizenry would approve of such a horrid if they knew, is beyond me. Mirror image? Prejudicial perhaps ...
"But the Leitkultur debate in Germany has another dimension that has a lot to do with the Germans themselves, and their history. The crimes of the Nazi regime, committed in Germany's name, destroyed all of the country's patriotic traditions, and the deep shock that ensued meant that it was decades before anything approximating a new sense of national pride could be created. Only in 2006, at the time of the FIFA World Cup - hosted by Germany - could one finally see German flags waving in the streets without it prompting negative associations, and that was more than 60 years after the end of World War II. It was the beginning of a new, healthier sense of patriotism, one that did not arise from excessive exaltation."
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60 years is too soon for Germans to not be fully ashamed of Germany.
There have always been racists. Europeans in general, prior to the Holocaust, never much cared for Jews. There was however a group of people in Germany who believed that Europe was Aryan, not Romani, or Jewish, or any other ethnic minority. Now, generally, most people, even most racists, don't hold views that are terribly extreme or violent, however, widespread economic desperation that followed the first WWI, as well as the massive blow to national pride that the German people felt following the war, lead to a people who were upset and desperate. They backed Hitler becasue he was clever. He used the mass media of the day to showcase his strong, nationalistic message. That message also happened to include the Aryan supremacy, we now associate with Nazism, which blended the racial superiority with fascism, which essentially advocates for absolute allegiance to the nation.
Hitler essentially cleverly blended love of country with hatred of non-Aryans. As to why Hitler had this hatred, I do not know. He, just as much as anyone, also fell victim to the economic hardship and national identity crisis that so many in central Europe felt. The source of his absolute hatred and vileness however, I do not know.
that and what jewish banking power did to germany
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