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I have a hard time understanding how people see some kind of difference between private and public insurance, like wishing for one somehow categorizes you as a commie big government pansy or wishing for the other somehow magically transforms you into a rugged individualist while you get reamed up the backside. It's hard to enjoy liberty and freedom when you're mortgaging your home to pay for your wife's/child's/put-other-loved-one-here healthcare.
Americans have either never heard of the most important freedom you can have besides the your own, or they don't care...and that's economic freedom. Americans are slaves and many of you love yourselves for it.
I have a hard time understanding how people refuse to consider any alternative to legalized gambling (insurance) when it comes to paying for health care.
The US provides foreign aid to a certain country, to the tune of several billion annually, a country that provides universal health care to its own citizens, and considers health care to be a right.
I think that it is totally unacceptable that the US doesn't provide universal health care to its own people.
The government provides nothing, they have nothing...........unless they have taken it away from someone else.
So you are saying that it is OK to take away from someone by force and they should forgo the Right to their property.
Yes. Basic healthcare is a basic human right. Unbelievable that this is even debatable. I wonder how many who answer "no" consider themselves to be Christians.
Only in America...
Can you point out the part of the Bible for me where Jesus advocated compulsory charity by force?
You have a "right" to access to health care the same as anyone else...
You don't have a right to force a doctor to treat you without being paid, nor do you have the right to force anyone else to pay for it if you cannot.
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Well first, we have a pretty corrupted system, and it's definitely not based on any principles.
Second, your use of principle doesn't seem to make sense here. "And just how (having a rule you never break) is it that a joint replacement appliance may well sell for 10X as many $$$ in the US as in many other countries?"...not sure how to answer that.
Principles are guides, yes. If you believe rape is wrong, you apply that to every situation. You don't say "Yeah it's wrong to force someone to have sex with you, but there are a lot of people who can't get sex voluntarily. I believe every person is entitled to love. It's a human right." That is an example of being unprincipled.
And we should just sit back, do nothing, and let it continue along its admittedly (by you) unprincipled way?
Can you point out the part of the Bible for me where Jesus advocated compulsory charity by force?
You have a "right" to access to health care the same as anyone else...
You don't have a right to force a doctor to treat you without being paid, nor do you have the right to force anyone else to pay for it if you cannot.
It's very much like free speech. You have the right to be allowed to state your opinions, but you don't have the right to force someone to buy you a microphone and provide you an audience.
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
This is the first and greatest commandment.
And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself'. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
And we should just sit back, do nothing, and let it continue along its admittedly (by you) unprincipled way?
What makes that a good plan?
Nope. Get the government out of it completely. I know you don't believe in that, but you can't say I want to sit and do nothing to fix it. We just disagree on the solution.
Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
This is the first and greatest commandment.
And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself'. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Right, so don't steal from your neighbor to fund the things you think should be funded...that is, unless you prefer to have someone else take your stuff and fund the things they like. That's what I'm getting at. You can help people without breaking the 7th commandment.
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Nope. Get the government out of it completely. I know you don't believe in that, but you can't say I want to sit and do nothing to fix it. We just disagree on the solution.
And let the industry, and healthcare is very much an industry, police itself?
Can you give some examples of self-policing industries that don't favor themselves every chance they get?
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