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Old 05-11-2017, 04:20 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Myghost View Post
Couple things:

1. The Trump supporters have successfully changed the narrative
As long as you admit that the Trump haters have successfully changed the narrative too.


-There was a poll showing most Democrats thought that Russia hacked vote totals, which there is ZERO evidence for. That is quite the narrative change.

-Many on the left were arguing that Trump was a puppet of Putin, then Trump ticks Putin off Syria. Some low-IQ types tried to claim that Trump by tipping the Russian's off to avoid killing Russians at the base we struck was still a sign of him being a puppet instead of avoiding war with Russia.

-Many on the left were blasting Comey and saying that he was in Trump's back pocket so he couldn't be trusted to investigate Trump. Now it is a crime of Nixon proportions to remove Comey - who can actually more freely testify now.

-Democrats have successfully ignored the fact that Russia tried to hack the RNC too, but the RNC didn't have complete idiots that handed over their passwords like the DNC.

-Democrats have successfully ignored the fact that Russia is fed up with the Obama-Bush Doctrine. The Obama-Bush Doctrine is to create power vacuums all over the unstable Arab world and then make it rain free tax payer funded weapons all over.

Russia needs Assad in power to secure their warm water port in Syria...Hillary was most likely to follow the Obama-Bush Doctrine whereby we demand Assad must go and then ISIS and every other "moderate rebel" (read terrorist) in the region, which threatens the stability that Russia needs in Syria.

Russia had every reason to oppose Hillary who would continue such policies.

-Putin likely thought Hillary would win, as just about everyone did. Perhaps he was weakening her before she came into office.

-Clapper and Comey still have seen zero pieces of evidence showing collusion, this narrative is changed/ignored.

-Democrats ignore that democrats like Obama, Clinton, and Hillary as Secretary of State have interfered in foreign elections; including in Russia. It is okay if we interfere in Democracy around the globe, but it is outrageous if it happens in return!

-The DNC hacks showed that the Democrats cheated based on their on primary rules against Bernie. Cheated in the debates. These facts are largely ignored.

-The DNC was colluding with the MSM per the leaks. This narrative is ignored. It is okay for us to factually collude with the MSM to get advantages, but it would not be okay for Trump to collude with anyone even if we have no evidence we'll scream bloody murder about it.

-Obama colluded with the Russians to interfere in the 2012 election. Obama offered Putin more flexibility after the election for no big waves before the election. Then Putin ran amok after the election. Quid pro quo. "Well that is different, Obama is hot and Trump is not." Changed narrative.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:22 AM
 
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The democrats are colluding to take Trump down.. that is the real scandal.. there is no scandal of Trump and Russia.. a big lie.. no evidence , the dems make it up as they go. A bunch of cry babies who lost.
I stopped reading Trump/Russia stuff months ago. At this point it's a bunch of fantasy stories for sore losers. Put up or shut up.

Granted, I guess with enough outrage and headlines even a non-story can become story.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:08 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
As long as you admit that the Trump haters have successfully changed the narrative too.


-There was a poll showing most Democrats thought that Russia hacked vote totals, which there is ZERO evidence for. That is quite the narrative change.

-Many on the left were arguing that Trump was a puppet of Putin, then Trump ticks Putin off Syria. Some low-IQ types tried to claim that Trump by tipping the Russian's off to avoid killing Russians at the base we struck was still a sign of him being a puppet instead of avoiding war with Russia.

-Many on the left were blasting Comey and saying that he was in Trump's back pocket so he couldn't be trusted to investigate Trump. Now it is a crime of Nixon proportions to remove Comey - who can actually more freely testify now.

-Democrats have successfully ignored the fact that Russia tried to hack the RNC too, but the RNC didn't have complete idiots that handed over their passwords like the DNC.

-Democrats have successfully ignored the fact that Russia is fed up with the Obama-Bush Doctrine. The Obama-Bush Doctrine is to create power vacuums all over the unstable Arab world and then make it rain free tax payer funded weapons all over.

Russia needs Assad in power to secure their warm water port in Syria...Hillary was most likely to follow the Obama-Bush Doctrine whereby we demand Assad must go and then ISIS and every other "moderate rebel" (read terrorist) in the region, which threatens the stability that Russia needs in Syria.

Russia had every reason to oppose Hillary who would continue such policies.

-Putin likely thought Hillary would win, as just about everyone did. Perhaps he was weakening her before she came into office.

-Clapper and Comey still have seen zero pieces of evidence showing collusion, this narrative is changed/ignored.

-Democrats ignore that democrats like Obama, Clinton, and Hillary as Secretary of State have interfered in foreign elections; including in Russia. It is okay if we interfere in Democracy around the globe, but it is outrageous if it happens in return!

-The DNC hacks showed that the Democrats cheated based on their on primary rules against Bernie. Cheated in the debates. These facts are largely ignored.

-The DNC was colluding with the MSM per the leaks. This narrative is ignored. It is okay for us to factually collude with the MSM to get advantages, but it would not be okay for Trump to collude with anyone even if we have no evidence we'll scream bloody murder about it.

-Obama colluded with the Russians to interfere in the 2012 election. Obama offered Putin more flexibility after the election for no big waves before the election. Then Putin ran amok after the election. Quid pro quo. "Well that is different, Obama is hot and Trump is not." Changed narrative.
Outstanding. Let's see if the left tries to rebut any of this. It should give them a break to cool off and think.

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I stopped reading Trump/Russia stuff months ago. At this point it's a bunch of fantasy stories for sore losers. Put up or shut up.

Granted, I guess with enough outrage and headlines even a non-story can become story.
Yes, that's the reason for the fake outrage and headlines -- just so they can keep the story alive, especially if it isn't true but they wish it were. Throw enough into the mix to confuse the simple minded and they can convince them it really is true.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:10 AM
 
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I stopped reading Trump/Russia stuff months ago. At this point it's a bunch of fantasy stories for sore losers. Put up or shut up.

Granted, I guess with enough outrage and headlines even a non-story can become story.
MSM have focused on getting Hillary elected, and they failed miserably. So did she, of course, it wasn’t just them. A failure they attempt to hide from view behind a veil of never-ending anti-Russian stories that even now they still can’t prove.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:12 AM
 
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If people resist President Trump, resist with facts, not innuendo of yellow paper quality. That destroys the media, and the media are needed to maintain a democracy, it's their responsibility. They exist to inform people, but have instead turned into opinion-fabricating machines because it’s commercially more attractive.

Take a step back and oversee the picture, and you’ll find that Trump is not the biggest threat to American democracy, the media are. They have a job but they stopped doing it. They have turned to smearing, something neither the NYT nor the WaPo should ever have stooped to, but did. Jumping to conclusions because it serves your political purposes is, to put it mildly, not helping.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:16 AM
 
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The depths of denial reached by Trumplings is beginning to approach the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

Click if you don't get the analogy.

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Old 05-11-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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A lot of sources today talk about how Trump was reportedly frustrated with the constant focus on the alleged Russia ties, but assuming those allegations are not true, and remember nothing has been proven after a year of echo-chambering.

Comey was already compromised from 10 different angles, and many wanted him gone, though not necessarily at the same time. The same Democrats, and their media, who now scream murder because he was fired, fell over themselves clamoring for his resignation for months.

Since we still run on ‘innocent until proven guilty’, perhaps it’s a thought to hold back a little, but given what we’ve seen since, say, early 2016, that doesn’t look like an option anymore. The trenches have been dug.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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Sadly the snow flakes won't listen to this and lame stream media will not broadcast that part.

The lame stream media is only out to ignite hate and to try to undo what they failed the first time. To change the election disaster they can't deal with.

President Trump is draining the field!
It's really sad for you that you skip right over this part:

Graham: Did you encounter a Trump business interest in Russia that gave you concern?"
Clapper: Not in the course of the intelligence community assessment.
Graham: Since? At all? Anytime?
Clapper: Senator Graham, I can’t comment on that, because that impacts an investigation.

Rut Roh...

https://www.longroom.com/discussion/...mins-ago-01-08
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:24 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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It's really sad for you that you skip right over this part:

Graham: Did you encounter a Trump business interest in Russia that gave you concern?"
Clapper: Not in the course of the intelligence community assessment.
Graham: Since? At all? Anytime?
Clapper: Senator Graham, I can’t comment on that, because that impacts an investigation.

Rut Roh...

https://www.longroom.com/discussion/...mins-ago-01-08
They comment on investigations when it serves their purposes. They say they 'can't comment' when it doesn't. It's cover for them, whether they know or not.

Comey did this frequently.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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Originally Posted by petch751 View Post
A lot of sources today talk about how Trump was reportedly frustrated with the constant focus on the alleged Russia ties, but assuming those allegations are not true, and remember nothing has been proven after a year of echo-chambering.

Comey was already compromised from 10 different angles, and many wanted him gone, though not necessarily at the same time. The same Democrats, and their media, who now scream murder because he was fired, fell over themselves clamoring for his resignation for months.

Since we still run on ‘innocent until proven guilty’, perhaps it’s a thought to hold back a little, but given what we’ve seen since, say, early 2016, that doesn’t look like an option anymore. The trenches have been dug.
We'll let's see when Comey testifies next week if he confirms that he assured Trump on 3 occasions that Trump was not under investigation.
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