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Old 05-14-2017, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Sorry cons, facts don't lie.

#FactsTrumpAlternativeFacts

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Facts Earning 1 dollar and spending 2 dollars isn't prosperous. Not that the truth matters to you.
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Bloomberg jealousy
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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California's economy was built when Republicans ran the state. Whether or not the Dems will be able to maintain it is uncertain...Silicon Valley has certainly kept Cali from going down.

California's economy fizzled under Republican leadership. If the Republicans were so great, why did CA voters overwhelmingly abandoned them?

The Democrats saved the state from incompetent fools like Arrrrnold.

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Old 05-14-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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Sure, that's why every other person I see in my area has moved from California spouting off how horrible things are there...
CA is an expensive and competitive state, that comes with the prosperity and the boom economy. The best and the brightest want to come here along with the rich and the famous. It drives up housing cost, it elevates the talent base, and it creates the best companies filled with the best and the brightest employees making very high salary.

But for those at the bottom tier, things can get difficult. Yes, I know some CA residents move away citing the high cost of living and the cut throat environment. I get it. CA is not a friendly state, it's a competitive league of its own. But many of those people who moved away would move back in a heartbeat if the environment becomes less cut-throat.
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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Facts Earning 1 dollar and spending 2 dollars isn't prosperous. Not that the truth matters to you.
LOL. I know one current US President who would disagree with you.

Who earns one dollar and spends 2 dollars?? Apple? Google? Oracle? Qualcom? Facebook? Broadcom? Nvidia? Genetech? Salesforce? or is it Trump's favorite... Twitter?

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Old 05-14-2017, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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That's because a lot of poor new immigrants migrate to CA and they start from the bottom.
Studies show that many move up the economic ladder, their places at the bottom filled by new poor immigrants.

How many people live below poverty is the WRONG question to ask, it's a slight of hand meant to fool the dim and the dumb.

The key is how many poor stay poor, and here CA does better than many red states; where the opportunity to improve their economic standing is bad compare to CA.
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You mean illegal aliens that CA want in order to exploit them for cheap wages? For that per student government money that comes into the schools? For those illegal alien votes for Democrats who promise them amnesty at a cost of billions of taxpayer dollars? Or are you talking about immigrants and they should not be overwhelming the state.

Yes, illegal aliens continue to pour into the country and since CA has the welcome mat out for them despite their crimes, you got them.

No, how many people live below the poverty line is the right question to ask and the ones being fooled are the illegal aliens thinking that CA wants to do anything more than exploit them for all they are worth, which isn't much considering what they arrive with.

CA's true poverty rate was determined to be 20.6%, the highest in the nation. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckde.../#27a23f2012d9 Considering that rate of poverty, it hardly looks like the land of opportunity.

Violent crime rose by 10% in 2015 in CA: Homicides by 9.7% and aggravated assault by more than 8%.

Violent crime in California rose 10% in 2015, state attorney general says - LA Times

Out migration in CA, between 2004 and 2013, roughly 5 million people left CA: Roughly 5 million people left California in the last decade. See where they went | The Sacramento Bee

This says that CA exports their poorer citizens out of the state: California exports its poor to Texas, other states, while wealthier people move in | The Sacramento Bee

What was the OP saying again?
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Old 05-14-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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California's economy fizzled under Republican leadership. If the Republicans were so great, why did CA voters overwhelmingly abandoned them?

The Democrats saved the state from incompetent fools like Arrrrnold.

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Californias issues are spending related and not economy related.

They're one of the five or so largest economies with high tax rates.

Partisanship destroys the ability to analyze even clear situations like this one correctly.
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Old 05-14-2017, 02:37 PM
 
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California is the new Dixie in many ways. Their economy and social hierarchy is very similar to that of the Jim Crow south, but instead of African Americans doing the low status jobs of maid, babysitter, gardener and roofer, it's the Hispanics, whom white Californians exploit for their cheap labor.
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Old 05-14-2017, 03:31 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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Calif's "trump card" it its weather since most of the state never gets snow; if the climate became like even NYC or DC; a LOT of people would leave cause of its stupid laws.

I say that cause where I live here in Bullhead, Needles on the Calif side of the river's lost a LOT of businesses here to Arizona. Same climate and so on. Poor Needles doesn't have a regular grocery store anymore; the people there on WIC and so no have to shop here and, it's 100 percent legal.
Bullhead City is much better than Needles, but beyond that, Bullhead is Meth trailer park country which can't even begin to compare to any Metropolis in California, heck, a ton of people in Bullhead work across the river - in Laughlin, NV.
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Old 05-14-2017, 03:32 PM
 
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California also has rampant wealth inequality, due largely to "protections for undocumented people." In the wealthier parts of California you have wealthy white and Asian people and poor black and brown people, and not much in between. And this is a desirable setup that should be emulated?

And the article provides no proof that coddling of illegal aliens is the reason for the large economy, they just quote Jerry Brown saying that the state is 39% hispanic. And? Man, the news(sic) media in this country has hit rock bottom.
They do coddle the illegals but it's not because they have bleeding hearts. It's because they are cheap fuel for the corporations. They are against the guest worker programs which is a shame because those programs would make sure the situation for the workers was fair and humane. But,,,,,it would cut into their profit margin and we all know how likely they are to do that.

Some of the midwest farms have now implemented the guest worker program. It's nice to see it come alive again. Free transport here and from Mexico, water, good housing and pay for a good days work. Protection for the women against rape in the fields. It is a much better solution to labor, and represents America a lot better than slave labor.
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