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Old 05-15-2017, 12:58 AM
 
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If Republicans even attempt to touch SS and MediCare in any harmful way they won't be able to get a politician within a hundred miles of any office for generations to come and they know it.
Ike already warned them, but Republicans are hardheaded by nature.
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Old 05-15-2017, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Privatization is the solution and it is a beneficial one. We could all have money in stocks and bonds and could be getting safely 4% on our SS investments instead of about 1%.

Conservatives have already harmed SS in the past by increasing the age that you can start collecting full benefits. SS will continue to be "harmed" if SS return does not increase through privatization.
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Old 05-15-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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Funny, the Left is saying that something needs to be done now, but never said a freaking word when their side held office for 8 years. I just can't listen to this childish crap anymore. I'm embarrassed to breathe the same air as these freaks.
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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Funny, the Left is saying that something needs to be done now, but never said a freaking word when their side held office for 8 years. I just can't listen to this childish crap anymore. I'm embarrassed to breathe the same air as these freaks.
That air will be more toxic thanks to Trump. Same with the water. MAGA right?
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:29 AM
 
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Some of you have the clarity of thought to understand that the Republicans are the enemy of SS and Medicare. Why do so many old people vote against their own interests?

Can I get some of you to email your reps in an effort to save SS?
You have to be careful because 'save SS' can mean different things to different people. To Paul Ryan, save SS means cutting the monthly benefit and increasing the retirement age.

You have to be specific when writing congress and tell them DO NOT CUT Social Security and DO NOT increase the retirement age. Instead, raise the cap for annual contributions. This is Bernie's plan and it works. The GOP congress wants to chip away at social security. Raising the age by 1 year is equivalent to takeing $15,000 -$25,000 out of your pocket because that's 1 year of benefits that would be taken away.

To be honest, this Trump Russia scandal is good because it keeps the GOP away from cutting SS. Trump would agree to it although it hurts middle class Americans. They'd love to turn Medicare into vouchers which means our monthly voucher wouldn't cover a decent insurance plan. The rich would be ok because they'd just buy a more expensive plan but middle class would suffer. The longer Russiagate and Comeygate are in the news, the less change that the GOP can cut our SS benefits and cut our Medicare benefits.
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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Privatization is the solution and it is a beneficial one. We could all have money in stocks and bonds and could be getting safely 4% on our SS investments instead of about 1%.

Conservatives have already harmed SS in the past by increasing the age that you can start collecting full benefits. SS will continue to be "harmed" if SS return does not increase through privatization.
Not only is that NOT the answer, but the American people will never go for privatization. And I don't blame them.
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Funny, the Left is saying that something needs to be done now, but never said a freaking word when their side held office for 8 years. I just can't listen to this childish crap anymore. I'm embarrassed to breathe the same air as these freaks.
It's no biggie..because the right isn't gonna touch the issue either. And that's a good thing.
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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I had a recent conversation with a one percenter. He said that the recession of 2008 weakened the SS trust fund sufficiently to create a danger during the mid twenties. This danger would reduce payouts by 25%.

I've started emailing my Senators and Congressman holding them responsible for Social Securities future.
We spend more on defense than the next seven countries combined. There should be money found for Social Security.
SS is a Ponzi scheme, it is falling for that reason.

BTW, we spend much more on SS than we do on defense.
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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Privatization is the solution and it is a beneficial one. We could all have money in stocks and bonds and could be getting safely 4% on our SS investments instead of about 1%.
You do realize that your SS benefit will be REDUCED because they calculate that you will earn money on it. The reduction is pretty significant and you have to invest pretty aggressively in order to break even versus what you would get today with normal SS. If you were afraid to invest aggressively then your benefit would be cut quite a bit.

I did a lot of in depth research on George W Bush's SS privatization plan because I thought it was a great idea. When I saw that benefits were cut for everyone, and you are expected to make up the missing money by investing, I decided that SS privitization doesn't help the people. It helps government by giving you less of your money. That's why the GOP wants it - it's a cost savings to the government because they pay you less of your SS benefit and the only way you could possibly(maybe not) break even if by aggressive investment.
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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I had a recent conversation with a one percenter. He said that the recession of 2008 weakened the SS trust fund sufficiently to create a danger during the mid twenties. This danger would reduce payouts by 25%.

I've started emailing my Senators and Congressman holding them responsible for Social Securities future.
We spend more on defense than the next seven countries combined. There should be money found for Social Security.
Being a 1% gives the person access to expertise, but means little else. Getting that kind of wealth is more a function of luck meeting luck /ability/ignorance. (many a fortune made from bad choices going well)


As to SS, it is absolutely fine we will hear much about it until the GOP needs something to beat the dems overhead with. The GOP has an OM, they use a benefit as a stick to scare low information voters into thinking they are losing something because of the actions of the Left.

Meanwhile, just like healthcare the rest of the developed world manages SS fine? How? They don't allow billionaires to buy entire political parties.... that simply really.

End the dark money, end the KOCH Mercers etc (both sides mind) and you will find the magically we can fund healthcare SS and other stuff with a mildly more progressive tax system.... and unless you are earning 300-500k a year why would you care if some of us pay a little more tax on money that makes money that makes money.

most people who vote, ie the vast majority of voters earn too little to ever be hit with top tax rates etc.
Why on earth someone with a family income under 200K gives a damn about putting taxes on the "rich" up by a few percent is beyond me? do they think they will wake up next year and suddenly have a super high income? really?
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Old 05-15-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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I had a recent conversation with a one percenter. He said that the recession of 2008 weakened the SS trust fund sufficiently to create a danger during the mid twenties. This danger would reduce payouts by 25%.

I've started emailing my Senators and Congressman holding them responsible for Social Securities future.
We spend more on defense than the next seven countries combined. There should be money found for Social Security.
So because he is a "one per center" that makes him a ssocial security expert?
Who did you vote for anyway? The candidate/party committed to preserving social security.
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