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Old 05-13-2017, 01:50 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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There is no point in bringing this topic up. Nobody cares. Men could be rounded up, herded onto barges, and set adrift at sea to die. You wouldn't hear a peep of protest from anyone not starving to death on the barges. Same thing applies to several other current social scapegoats: middle age, white.
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Old 05-13-2017, 01:52 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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OP: I do not have to defend anything, I am just stating that Mothers have the same options as Fathers after the child is born.
They have more options, especially as it pertains to custody.
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Old 05-13-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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I don't feel oppressed at all.
How you 'feel' is irrelevant.
The facts speak for themselves. Do you support one gender getting 100% parenting rights and the other gender getting zero?

If you don't see this as oppressive, discriminatory, and/or biased, can you please explain why?
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:00 PM
 
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Solution for men: do not impregnate any women who are not married to you.
How does that solution help the children born out of wedlock that are precluded by the state from having a relationship with one of their parents?
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:01 PM
 
Location: My House
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How does that solution help the children born out of wedlock that are precluded by the state from having a relationship with one of their parents?
If there are no kids born out of wedlock, there's no issue.

Have kids with a spouse. Stay married. Raise your kids. Get all the rights you want.
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:02 PM
 
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OP: I do not have to defend anything, I am just stating that Mothers have the same options as Fathers after the child is born.
Not true. Mothers of children born out of wedlock have custody, Dads do not have any parenting rights.
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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This is true in every State in the USA:

When parents are unmarried, Mother has custody of any child born out of wedlock. Furthermore, Father has ZERO parenting rights by default. What that means is that Dad is not allowed to see the child at all- not even 15 minutes- if Mom does not allow it. In fact, Dad will be arrested if he tries. The only way Dad can get any parenting rights at all is to file in court, which usually results in some small token amount. Almost never does Dad get custody in this situation.

So you have a situation where one gender is given 100% full rights, and one gender is given 0 rights. Nothing, zip, nada. Imagine if you will a scenario where the script was flipped, and it was decided that moving forward Dad was granted 100% parenting rights (Mom zero) when parents are unmarried. That story would be on the cover of every newspaper, it would be the lead on every news show, and it would be discussed on every radio show. Yet this subject is rarely if ever discussed now.

I believe that this policy rises to the level of a large scale human rights violation (remember, not only are Dads rights being trampled on, but also all children born out of wedlock). It's really not that dissimilar to slavery, or anti semitism, or discrimination against people that are handicapped. Perhaps the best analogy would be many decades ago when women were not allowed to vote. Of course that was wrong, why should one gender be given full rights and the other 0? How is this policy any different then women being prohibited from voting?

By the way, I have never been personally effected by this policy. I do have one child from a previous marriage, but I was married to Mom at the time so this has nothing to do with me being effected personally.
Parents have financial obligations to their offspring.

A friend of mine never got his child support because of the deadbeat Mom. For the child's mental well-being, he didn't step in the way of the Mom. She eventually got out of their lives.

Biology 101 reminder:
Men have a choice, only one time, to prevent a pregnancy and child support and being a parent and paying for an abortion. Just one time.

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Old 05-13-2017, 02:09 PM
 
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If there are no kids born out of wedlock, there's no issue.

Have kids with a spouse. Stay married. Raise your kids. Get all the rights you want.
...problem is, there are hundreds of children born out of wedlock everyday. None of us can control the actions of another, so your solution is no solution at all.

Edited to add: it is exactly this type of attitude, which can be summed up as 'as long as it doesn't effect me personally, I don't care', that is necessary to foster a climate in which human rights violations can survive and thrive.

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Old 05-13-2017, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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All he has to do is file a form with the court, which is way easier than impregnating someone.

http://www.georgialegalaid.org/files...ion_packet.pdf


Thread fail.
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Pre-socialism, when there was no such thing as an obligation for an unwed mother to get support from the father, it was pretty clear cut.
An illegitimate child had a claim upon the mother's support but not the father's. Possession was entirely hers...as was the obligation.
A legitimate child had a claim upon both parents, for support. In general, the husband / father had the sole legal obligation to support the family.
Upon divorce, (usually based on adultery in the wife) the legitimate child stayed with the father, because it was the heir to his property, which the ex-wife was no longer a claimant. She was free to re-marry and legitimize the child of adultery... or endure the burden of support alone.
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