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Old 05-13-2017, 03:45 PM
 
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Good Lord.

Prior to reading this forum, I had no idea that white males were that unfairly treated by society, despite being one for 68 years.

If it isn't the gub'ment, or minorities, it's women. Let's add college grad women to the oppressors, since they're less likely to date non-college men, they discriminate too.

Put on your big boy pants, people, and suck it up.
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Old 05-13-2017, 03:53 PM
 
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It's true that America is a very anti-male country (in general). Of course, this obvious truth is fiercely denied by most people (even here on C-D). In places like Mexico people would be outraged at what passes for "normal" up here (in terms of relations between the sexes)

It's a multi-faceted problem, one side of it is cultural and the other is government policy. Government policy in particular encourages and supports "bad" female behavior of all kinds, for example all the irresponsible single moms that pop out a bunch of kids *just* to get a steady welfare check. Another example is how the courts ignore obvious "bad" behavior such as cheating and award the woman everything regardless.

You can't reward "bad" behavior, or you'll get more of it. That's just common sense. If welfare/child support/etc ceased to exist tomorrow I bet a lot of women would "suddenly" not be getting pregnant as much
Yep.

One can look at out of wedlock birthrates in the U.S. both before and after the so-called 'Great Society' legislation and shake one's head.
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Old 05-13-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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This is the company line but it has no merit. First of all, only in a small fraction of the cases is the Father not known or agreed upon. If both parties agree who the Dad is, why should Mom have full custody and parenting rights but Dad have zero?
In those cases where there is an unknown or disputed Dad, you could simply require Mom to identify Dad and confirm with a DNA test (cheap and reliable).



Actually, he can't. That's part of the problem. Court will use 'status quo' to justify keeping custody with Mom and giving Dad only a token amount. Married Dads lose (effective) custody the vast majority of the time, unmarried Dads have no chance in family court.
If both agree Dad gets full rights. If both parents are on the birth certificate, which both must agree to, the Father has equal rights to the mother in court. Dad may have to go to court to exercise those rights but he has equal standing there.

And yes the Dad is in an inferior position if he tries to change things as the law prescribes best interest of the child as the main criteria which often gives the status quo an advantage. Would you suggest best interest of Dad or Mom instead of the child.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:12 PM
 
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What do you suggest?

That the man takes the baby home from the hospital and the woman has to go to court to establish motherhood before she can visit?
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:16 PM
 
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Yep.

One can look at out of wedlock birthrates in the U.S. both before and after the so-called 'Great Society' legislation and shake one's head.
Little if anything to do with welfare. More do to the societal ending of the Shotgun Wedding.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/a...united-states/
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:22 PM
 
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Good Lord.

Prior to reading this forum, I had no idea that white males were that unfairly treated by society, despite being one for 68 years.

If it isn't the gub'ment, or minorities, it's women. Let's add college grad women to the oppressors, since they're less likely to date non-college men, they discriminate too.

Put on your big boy pants, people, and suck it up.
How are the babies and children being harmed by this policy supposed to put their big boy and big girl pants on?
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:26 PM
 
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If both agree Dad gets full rights. If both parents are on the birth certificate, which both must agree to, the Father has equal rights to the mother in court. Dad may have to go to court to exercise those rights but he has equal standing there.

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No, this is not true. If both agree Dad does not get equal or full rights.

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And yes the Dad is in an inferior position if he tries to change things as the law prescribes best interest of the child as the main criteria which often gives the status quo an advantage. Would you suggest best interest of Dad or Mom instead of the child
Actually if the best interests of the child are truly the concern then this policy wouldn't exist in the first place. This policy separates innocent children from one of their parents.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:27 PM
 
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What do you suggest?

That the man takes the baby home from the hospital and the woman has to go to court to establish motherhood before she can visit?
I suggest that if the parents don't agree on custody, custody is evenly split 50/50 as a default. Meaning 50% of the time with each parent.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:30 PM
 
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I suggest that if the parents don't agree on custody, custody is evenly split 50/50 as a default. Meaning 50% of the time with each parent.
I don't have a problem with that, given that the paternity is established and the pregnancy wasn't the result of rape.

But I don't think this rises to the level of male oppression. Not even close.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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No, this is not true. If both agree Dad does not get equal or full rights.



Actually if the best interests of the child are truly the concern then this policy wouldn't exist in the first place. This policy separates innocent children from one of their parents.
Dad get full and equal rights in court. He does not get instant custody as we do have the pragmatic default to the mother. At least a couple of different references indicate this is the case in at least some states.

In general the parents are inherently separated. That is what this is all about. If the parents are successfully cohabitating there is not a problem.
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