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Old 05-14-2017, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Originally Posted by dysgenic View Post
I'd rather not get into the abortion thing, that's more subjective than what we are discussing. Once the baby is born, surely we can agree that the child has 2 parents, right?

I asked you a question in a previous post that you haven't answered. I'd like to ask again, and respectfully ask that you answer.

If the law changed tomorrow and the genders were reversed, meaning unmarried Moms could legally be totally barred from seeing their babies by Dads once they were born, would this rise to the level of being a human rights violation? Would this 'not even be close' to a human rights violation?
It would be totally impractical and impossible to enforce. The logistics!
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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Since I add into your forums, (not blablaing)

Here most men don't even WANT to care of their chidren, more than 40% don't even see their children after 5 years.

Check please.
That's a blanket statement and a gross generality. Still, even if this is true how does this justify gender discrimination on this scale? Do you believe that justice is served by punishing innocent people for the crimes of others? Furthermore, how is justice served by punishing innocent children for the crimes of others?
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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It would be totally impractical and impossible to enforce. The logistics!
This is a non responsive answer. Besides, it would not be impractical nor would it be impossible to enforce. Please answer responsively. To reiterate, this is the question:

If the law changed tomorrow and the genders were reversed, meaning unmarried Moms could legally be totally barred from seeing their babies by Dads once they were born, would this rise to the level of being a human rights violation? Would this 'not even be close' to a human rights violation?
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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All true..

But I wouldn't be surprised if this thread was shut down claiming "gender bashing".

Despite the provided evidence to support the premise.
I think it's important that none of us devolve into gender bashing. Notice I've said nothing whatsoever negative about women. I do, however, have an issue with gender discrimination (against either gender) and those that perpetrate it.

In this case, the facts speak for themselves. I believe that this policy rises to the level of a large scale human rights violation, even a crime against humanity.
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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This is true in every State in the USA:

When parents are unmarried, Mother has custody of any child born out of wedlock. Furthermore, Father has ZERO parenting rights by default. What that means is that Dad is not allowed to see the child at all- not even 15 minutes- if Mom does not allow it. In fact, Dad will be arrested if he tries. The only way Dad can get any parenting rights at all is to file in court, which usually results in some small token amount. Almost never does Dad get custody in this situation.

So you have a situation where one gender is given 100% full rights, and one gender is given 0 rights. Nothing, zip, nada. Imagine if you will a scenario where the script was flipped, and it was decided that moving forward Dad was granted 100% parenting rights (Mom zero) when parents are unmarried. That story would be on the cover of every newspaper, it would be the lead on every news show, and it would be discussed on every radio show. Yet this subject is rarely if ever discussed now.

I believe that this policy rises to the level of a large scale human rights violation (remember, not only are Dads rights being trampled on, but also all children born out of wedlock). It's really not that dissimilar to slavery, or anti semitism, or discrimination against people that are handicapped. Perhaps the best analogy would be many decades ago when women were not allowed to vote. Of course that was wrong, why should one gender be given full rights and the other 0? How is this policy any different then women being prohibited from voting?

By the way, I have never been personally effected by this policy. I do have one child from a previous marriage, but I was married to Mom at the time so this has nothing to do with me being effected personally.
Is the biological father also made to pay child support in such cases?
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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Not true. Mothers of children born out of wedlock have custody, Dads do not have any parenting rights.
Let's not be disingenuous in making statements like this.

Custody is a state law issue.
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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Is the biological father also made to pay child support in such cases?
Yes. He absolutely is.
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:14 AM
 
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Let's not be disingenuous in making statements like this.

Custody is a state law issue.
In every single State in the USA, the following is true:

When parents are unmarried, Mom gets full custody and full parenting rights of the child by default. Dad also gets 0 parenting rights by default. That means if Dad wants to see his child and Mom doesn't him to, he will be arrested if he tries. Yes, Dad can go to court to get this changed. Court costs money, time, and has a very low probably of success.
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:18 AM
 
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In every single State in the USA, the following is true:

When parents are unmarried, Mom gets full custody and full parenting rights of the child by default. Dad also gets 0 parenting rights by default. That means if Dad wants to see his child and Mom doesn't him to, he will be arrested if he tries. Yes, Dad can go to court to get this changed. Court costs money, time, and has a very low probably of success.

Dad needs to prove paternity in most states [not every], which makes sense because they identity of the mother is rarely in dispute.

It's a boilerplate procedure and subjects the father the child support possibilities. Which again makes sense.
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:39 AM
 
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This whole problem would just go away if you fellas would follow the advise of an very old man many, many years ago: "you can't knock 'em up with spit".

Problem solved.
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