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Old 05-16-2017, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If that same person showed up (places one may connect to an Internet) at your home, your work, the mall where you shop or the park you like to visit, then what?

No, no officer they're just sick, no harm done here?
It is NOT the same scenario. The woman posted on her facebook page and has been charged with hate crime.

If the person only attacked me online, I'd report him/her, and got his/her post removed. That is all. He/she annoyed the hell out of me, but Do I have a heart to charge him/her with a hate crime? I don't think so. I will be fair to even the people I dislike very much.
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:22 AM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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It is NOT the same scenario. The woman posted on her facebook page and has been charged with hate crime.

If the person only attacked me online, I'd report him/her, and got his/her post removed. That is all. He/she annoyed the hell out of me, but Do I have a heart to charge him/her with a hate crime? I don't think so. I will be fair to even the people I dislike very much.
Facebook is a public place. Very difficult to wrap one's head around that I know, but it is what it is ...

Cyber bulling is increasing the amount of suicides.

While you may not have a problem with it, there are those that do. So now what?
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Facebook is a public place. Very difficult to wrap one's head around that I know, but it is what it is ...

Cyber bulling is increasing the amount of suicides.

While you may not have a problem with it, there are those that do. So now what?
Well, like I said, maybe Sweden has a different definition of hate crime.

I don't think what she did is a hate crime here in America. So now what part is a good question. I am sure you have no problem charging such a woman with a hate crime, however, I do because similar things can happen to all of us. NO one is safe. Do I want to charge everybody who says "every one who voted for Trump should be deported because everyone who voted Trump is a racist" with a hate crime? ! LOL nah.. don't think so.

Like my grandpa said, be careful what you wish for.
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:34 AM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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Well, like I said, maybe Sweden has a different definition of hate crime.

I don't think what she did is a hate crime here in America. So now what part is a good question. I am sure you have no problem charging such a woman with a hate crime, however, I do because similar things can happen to all of us. NO one is safe.
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I don't think what she did is a hate crime here in America.
Depends on which way the political wind is blowing ...
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NO one is safe.
Yet we do not want to feel helpless, if things get out of hand.

So the question then becomes, where does one draw the line and/or at what point does one get the authorities involved?

When a life is lost, or before so as to prevent loss of life?

Sweden may be trying to stop the proverbial snow ball, that comes when people are left unchecked in their words that could lead to others taking action?
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Hey what's a poo among friends?...in Sweden...ya gotta luv it. Maybe they migrated from SFO. http://www.dailywire.com/news/12001/...s-hank-berrien
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:52 AM
 
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Facebook is a public place. Very difficult to wrap one's head around that I know, but it is what it is ...

Cyber bulling is increasing the amount of suicides.

While you may not have a problem with it, there are those that do. So now what?
Facebook is privately owned, it is not a public place and it has and will sensor/ban content.
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Old 05-16-2017, 11:50 AM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell View Post
Facebook is a public place. Very difficult to wrap one's head around that I know, but it is what it is ...

Cyber bulling is increasing the amount of suicides.

While you may not have a problem with it, there are those that do. So now what?
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Facebook is privately owned, it is not a public place and it has and will sensor/ban content.
Banks are privately owned and any one can walk into one any day of the week. There is an expectation of privacy where as private information is kept private. However, a person can walk up to any one in the public bank and mouth off, free speech, and an officer will be along any minute to help them out with that.

The Internet is a public place. It always has been and it always will be, a public place.

Liken to that of don't drink and drive. Please act responsibly when in a public place.

Information Superhighway created a way that people could drive to work without ever leaving their homes. People can pull in and shop, they can pull into a bank, they can pull into a public (park) forum and have conversations with one another ... and the rule applies, 'do not say or do anything in public that can later be used in a court of law'.

PS: She is 70 years old and I doubt she even thought about it in those 'real' terms. There is another 70 year old, that is stuck in the 80's and has the same difficulty.

Last edited by Ellis Bell; 05-16-2017 at 11:54 AM.. Reason: PS
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