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Old 05-17-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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You mean more than it did under the Kenyan?


Who is "the Kenyan"?
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Old 05-17-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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TPP was a very good deal for America. .
if adding 1,000 cheap SKUs at Wal Mart is all that counts.

We lose every trade deal. Each cuts far more in jobs than it adds in America.

Americans properly fought back in 2016. Long overdue.
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Old 05-17-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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Trans-Pacific Partnership: Withdrawing from the TPP was a huge blow the U.S. agriculture industry, squandering an opportunity for a $62 billion market for U.S. farmers. The American Soybean Association, National Cattlemen's Beef Association, and the American Farm Bureau strongly condemned the move that left farmers dismayed with Trump.

Struggling U.S. farm sector faces new threat as TPP dies | Reuters

Trump’s pull-out of TPP deal prompts criticism, anger from ag industry | Investigate Midwest

Opioid Crisis: Jeff Sessions promise to "charge and pursue the most serious, readily provable offense" on "low-level" drug charges left politicians from middle-America angry. Rand Paul responded: "We should treat our nation's drug epidemic as a health crisis and less as a 'lock 'em up and throw away the key' problem." The Trump administrations police-state approach to drug offenses is a return to the failed policies of the last 30 years that left families destroyed and prisons over-flowing.

Appalachia's approach to drugs at odds with Sessions policy

Health Care: Rural areas, especially those will a high percentage of elderly, will bear the brunt of the ACA repeal. Costs have risen under the ACA, but elimination of subsidies will make health insurance completely unaffordable for many.

Trump voters would be among the biggest losers in Republicans' Obamacare replacement plan - LA Times

Its unfortunate that so many rural voters rely purely on fringe identity issues to cast their ballots. In 2016, belief that Hillary was running a sex-trafficking ring out of pizza parlor was as much of a deciding issue as health care. How many times have we heard from these people that Obama is a "Muslim-communist" and refugees will institute Sharia-law. The more our country embraces the "alt-right," the more we devolve into pure idiocy.

Feel free to add to the list.
Meh, I'm a rural American and none of this is affecting me negatively. There are no real losses from withdrawing from TTP. Independent studies concluded TTP would have an adverse effect. Yet to be seen if TTP had any positive effect at all.

I cant tell if any drug use or convictions have increased, decreased or changed at all.

My insurance coverage hasn't changed at all. I know folks who will be glad they dont have to pay out 1000 dollars in fines this year because they cant afford insurance or their insurance didnt meet Obamacare standards. Still cant get on the marketplace exchange to insure my grandson. So basically nothing has changed. Big ado about nothing.
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Old 05-17-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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A news article is out today saying that Trump supporters voted for him because they want jobs, and he's not delivering.

It says job numbers under Trump are lower than job numbers under Obama for the same period last year. Below are some quotes from the article.


Jobs and wages are "why we voted him in" as a country, says Kenneth Olsen, a 60-year-old factory worker from Racine, Wisconsin, who has been told his job is moving to Canada soon. He's deeply concerned that he and his wife might lose their house after he's laid off.

Bret Mattice is 46 and works at the same engine factory in Wisconsin that Olsen does.He voted for the first time ever last year because he felt Trump really understood people like him and would fight to keep $30-an-hour jobs like his in the United States.


Trump voters want jobs. Not noise about Russia - May. 16, 2017
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Old 05-17-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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A news article is out today saying that Trump supporters voted for him because they want jobs, and he's not delivering.

It says job numbers under Trump are lower than job numbers under Obama for the same period last year. Below are some quotes from the article.


Jobs and wages are "why we voted him in" as a country, says Kenneth Olsen, a 60-year-old factory worker from Racine, Wisconsin, who has been told his job is moving to Canada soon. He's deeply concerned that he and his wife might lose their house after he's laid off.

Bret Mattice is 46 and works at the same engine factory in Wisconsin that Olsen does.He voted for the first time ever last year because he felt Trump really understood people like him and would fight to keep $30-an-hour jobs like his in the United States.


Trump voters want jobs. Not noise about Russia - May. 16, 2017
Good article, thanks for posting it.

The thing is, Trump (nor any one else) can not reverse the overall trends - automation and globalization. Yes, there are policies and actions that could cushion the effects of those changes, but the overall trend is clear for the foreseeable future. Manufacturing is still a robust economic sector in the US, but it doesn't employ nearly the numbers it used to.

Add to this the fact that the business cycle is due for a downturn in the near future, and these folks will not see any relief soon.
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Old 05-17-2017, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Sale Creek, TN
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They're used to it. Rural America has sucked wind under EVERY administration except Roosevelt.
This post here, has hit it square on the nose. I have never agreed with him/her on anything else.
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Old 05-17-2017, 03:34 PM
 
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Rural America doesn't care about winning because they've never known any other condition other than losing. About the only issue they win on is farm subsidies and a few social entitlement programs...and half of those folks talk bad about the very programs that they use more than anyone else. You can find several YouTube videos where they complain about Welfare, and half of their communities are on it.

Rural Americans care about ending abortion, keeping their guns, school prayer, and going after terrorists in every corner of the Earth. Give them that, and you can have your way with them.

So yeah, they're losing, but they don't care anyway. So let them be.
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Old 05-17-2017, 03:38 PM
 
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Seems the midwest and the rural areas will be hardest hit by Trump's bad decisions. I feel sorry for some of them. They got conned and they really thought that Trump cared about them and thought he would help them. This isn't much different than those people that got conned by Trump University.

It's a sad day for America when any Americans are hurt, regardless of who they voted for.

If TrumpCare passes and people can't get health insurance due to pre-existing conditions, they'll be hurt again.
Will they understand then?
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Old 05-17-2017, 10:36 PM
 
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Will they understand then?
Nope.
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:05 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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if adding 1,000 cheap SKUs at Wal Mart is all that counts.

We lose every trade deal. Each cuts far more in jobs than it adds in America.

Americans properly fought back in 2016. Long overdue.
No we don't, NAFTA was tremendous to the southwest and south as there's where a lot of domestic manufacturing has moved to. There are no deals that has everyone winning....

Rural America needs new skills and to move away from the increasingly economic depressed areas. That's American history, moving to where the jobs are. Too many Trump supporters really just want the world to cater to them instead of having the personal responsibility to better themselves.
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