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Old 05-17-2017, 07:30 PM
 
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It absolutely is a political vendetta against Trump and an attempt to overthrow the voter's choice. Anyone who denies this isn't a political vendetta is too partisan to be objective.
It simply is not. The Democrats are not the ones who started or conducted the investigation. They found out about it along with the rest of the country. (The Intel Committees in the Senate & House may have known, but not the body of the legislature.)

The intel agencies were investigating Russia's hacking of Americans. That is STILL the main investigation....the influence of Russia in our election, and the continuing influence in our democracy.

Russia is doing this all over the world. It successfully did this in the Ukraine. It just tried to do it in France, but failed.

In the course of that investigation, the INTEL AGENTS ran across all those communications among Trump team people and the Russians. Then it ran across the Flynn issues: he had had a 10 min conversation with the Russian about sanctions BEFORE Trump was in office, among other conversations. Flynn lied about it to the FBI (a crime).

THEN it was discovered that Flynn was on the payroll of Russia. THEN it was discoverd that Flynn was an agent of Turkey. All illegal.

The Democrats had nothing to do with any of that. That was all investigators and Republicans.

Democrats may be happy about it, but they are NOT the ones doing it. They are not even in control of the legislature.

Trump has possibly gotten HIMSELF in trouble, if he obstructed justice by trying to get Comey to pledge allegiance to HIM, or to stop the Flynn investigation, and then ultimately firing him after Comey wouldn't do those two things.

Again, no Democrat had anything to do with that.

Justice is pursuing the Trump team. If they are innocent, they have nothing to worry about. Lady Justice will say thanks, and that's that.

Any true American wants to get to the bottom of how Russia has interjected itself into our democracy. Country above party. This is serious business. (Trump inviting Russians into the oval office, excluding Americans, and then giving them top level code secrets didn't help matters. Can you imagine what you and other Republicans would be saying if Obama had done that?)
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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I want to say you're correct simply based on the name change from "Prosecutor" to "Counsel" because, if memory serves, of happened with Nixon. The President not having dismissal authority would also be in line with that as well. Kinda wish Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski were still with us to offer some insight to the nuance.
Special Prosecutor law, passed after Watergate, expired in 1999. As a result the title has reverted back to Special Counsel.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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Strong independent libertarian here but the rule of law must stand and be applied equally.

Show us the evidence!
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:37 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Special Prosecutor law, passed after Watergate, expired in 1999. As a result the title has reverted back to Special Counsel.
Man, this is harder to follow than the lineup card in a 15-inning baseball game.
Let's hope them rascally folks in the press help us sort it out.

(By the way, that was a blatant endorsement of why a free and open press is vital)

Incidentally, if the President can fire Mueller all the cards are lined up for "Saturday Night Massacre 2.0" right to the tee rather than the tease we got a week ago with Comey.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:38 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Trump's nonstop lying, irresponsible words, outrageous reckless tweets, and self-serving actions have been abhorrent - beginning with the campaign and his elevation of name-calling to an art form - and have become even more horrifying since he's taken office.

To date, FBI has 100 people working on the Russian influence into our election and any tangential possible legal violations up to and including collusion between certain members of Trump's campaign - and possibly Trump himself - with the Russian meddling.

That said - wherever the FBI evidence leads, whatever prosecutable offenses - or none at all - I am willing - to accept.
All that said - NONE of this is fake news - and Trump would be wise to discontinue such colossally STUPID assertions. Every time he opens his mouth, he succeeds in looking to be even more of an idiot than we already know him to be
Yep. We also have the CIA, NSA, foreign intelligence agencies, paid foreign spies, paid private investigators, the weaponized partisan media & a scroll of unnamed sources working the case as well for over 10 months now. Seeing as they have all of Trump's phone calls, emails, texts, comings & goings, plus transcripts of seemingly every conversation he's had since he took office, you'd think that if there was anything out there it would have been found by now?
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Limbo
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Suppose, just suppose that Mueller completes his work, only to find no wrong doing, no collusion, no laws broken by President Trump. Will progressives and liberals accept that?

I'll put a stake in the ground here and now. If Mr Mueller finds laws were broken, etc, I will accept it.
Most definitely. I trust the process.

I'll still think he's an idiot, though.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:45 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Yep. We also have the CIA, NSA, foreign intelligence agencies, paid foreign spies, paid private investigators, the weaponized partisan media & a scroll of unnamed sources working the case as well for over 10 months now. Seeing as they have all of Trump's phone calls, emails, texts, comings & goings, plus transcripts of seemingly every conversation he's had since he took office, you'd think that if there was anything out there it would have been found by now?
"Millstones of Justice turn exceedingly slow, but grind exceedingly fine."

- John Bannister Gibson (1780-1853), American jurist, Pennsylvania Supreme Court.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:49 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Yep. We also have the CIA, NSA, foreign intelligence agencies, paid foreign spies, paid private investigators, the weaponized partisan media & a scroll of unnamed sources working the case as well for over 10 months now. Seeing as they have all of Trump's phone calls, emails, texts, comings & goings, plus transcripts of seemingly every conversation he's had since he took office, you'd think that if there was anything out there it would have been found by now?
How do you know if anything hasn't been found? Maybe they are keeping it all quiet until all the ducks are in a row.

Then again, maybe they don't have anything at all.

Either way I am happy to see an investigation. Hopefully in the end our country will be stronger because of it.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Lock him up! Lock him up!
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:59 PM
 
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President Trump has the power to fire the special counsel if he wishes. Does anyone think he would actually do that? What would be the repercussions if he did it?
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