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Old 05-20-2017, 05:52 AM
 
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Those aren't a freebie public assistance program like Welfare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Section 8 Housing, etc. One must have paid into SS and Medicare to be eligible for benefits.
So.what?

You people have real interesting rubrics to measure the worthiness of recipients of publicly paid benefits.

How do you think welfare, food stamps, medicaid, housing is paid for? TAXES BY THE WORKING AND MIDDLE CLASS. MANY people who've paid taxes, at some point, have had to collect one or several of the aforementioned PUBLICLY PAID benefits.

Its okay for olds to collect Social Security but not okay for a young family to take advantage of Medicaid. GMAFB

This is hypocrisy at its finest.

 
Old 05-20-2017, 05:55 AM
 
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Right, they can all sit in their 400sq. ft. rental and eat their State provided bread.
Good riddance to them, and don't let the door hit you in the azz!
So completely uninformed. I feel sorry for you. I really do.
 
Old 05-20-2017, 06:15 AM
 
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So?

She was a damned hypocrite.

People pay taxes when they work and those same workers often need help in the form of food stamps or WIC.
The poor don't pay the federal income tax that funds federal means-tested public assistance program benefits. A surprisingly large percentage (about 27%) of the 1040 filing population isn't expected to contribute at all in regards to federal income and payroll taxes.

Data for 2015:

Federal Income Tax Units: 171.3 million (Excludes those who are dependents of other tax units)
Federal Income Tax Payers: 93.8 million (Tax filers with a total federal individual income tax obligation of over $5 for the year, already withheld or not)

A tax unit is an individual tax return filer, or a married couple who file a tax return jointly, along with the inclusion of all (if any) dependents of that individual or married couple.

Tax Units with Zero or Negative Individual Income Tax:

77.5 million. 45.3% of all tax units.

Tax Units with Zero or Negative Sum of Income and Payroll Taxes:


46 million. 26.9% of all tax units

T15-0138 - Tax Units with Zero or Negative Income Tax - Tax Policy Center


Does it surprise anyone that about 27% of all tax units pay NO Federal Income Tax AND NO Payroll Taxes whatsoever on their earnings? That's almost always due to the various refundable tax credits offsetting them both, and almost always benefiting low to middle income earners. So while they take Food Stamps, Medicaid, etc., benefits, they certainly pay no federal taxes for them.

https://www.irs.com/articles/refunda...le-tax-credits
 
Old 05-20-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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The first and most important duty of the fed is to defend the country. If we can do it with no soldiers elsewhere, great. My guess is we have to have some amount of spread across the globe. But, I'm for making Europe pay the cost for our military presence in their countries. They should have to bare some of this cost.
As long as you continue to push for that, your complaints about helping the less fortunate here are worthless in my book.
 
Old 05-20-2017, 06:18 AM
 
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You should report these criminals to the IRS. Do your part.
I'll pass on that.
 
Old 05-20-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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I've covered it endlessly too. People can pool their resources willingly rather than by force. You said so in your 2nd sentence.
They can BUT they will not. Communism works on paper.

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I also said in the past that if people want the roads and bridges, they'll figure out a way to pay for it. If they aren't willing to do it, oh well, they don't get them. Pretty simple. Literally any solution is acceptable except forcing others to participate in some plan they never agreed to.

Lastly, that's fine if they want to pay taxes. My point is that whether they want to or not, they're forced to pay, and the penalty for not paying is not very nice...as I explained in my last post above.
Not as bad as going back to the 19th century.
 
Old 05-20-2017, 06:22 AM
 
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A:Socialist programs were never intended for or appropriate for the American economy on a large scale basis.

B: The social programs that have already been enacted on a large scale basis are already proving to be unsustainable.

Why are democrats so clueless as to how the American economy and political system functions efficiently?
 
Old 05-20-2017, 06:26 AM
 
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That is old.....that is all "may, might, perhaps". The Florida Supreme Court ruled No, they do not get exempted from being forclosed upon.

FLORIDA SUPREME COURT HOLDS THAT STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS DOES NOT BAR SUCCESSIVE MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE ACTIONS

Florida Supreme Court Holds that Statute of Limitations does not Bar Successive Mortgage Foreclosure Actions | Blank Rome LLP

So stop.
 
Old 05-20-2017, 06:34 AM
 
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That is old.....that is all "may, might, perhaps". The Florida Supreme Court ruled No, they do not get exempted from being forclosed upon.

FLORIDA SUPREME COURT HOLDS THAT STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS DOES NOT BAR SUCCESSIVE MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE ACTIONS

Florida Supreme Court Holds that Statute of Limitations does not Bar Successive Mortgage Foreclosure Actions | Blank Rome LLP

So stop.
Stop what? Didn't you read the NY Times article? People in NJ and NY are already getting the homes they're living in for free after failing to make a single mortgage payment in 5 or 6 years. Bank of America, alone, has 20,000 outstanding mortgages that are 5 years or more in arrears.
 
Old 05-20-2017, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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They can BUT they will not. Communism works on paper.
No, communism doesn't even work on paper, which is why it failed. You assume what we have now "works" too, which I disagree with.

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Not as bad as going back to the 19th century.
In what way is it going back to the 19th century? Whenever people say that about libertarianism it seems like they're forgetting what made our living conditions so much better. It wasn't the government. It was economic growth and technological innovation.
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