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Old 05-18-2017, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Not sure she should have fired, but I was not there of course. Seems if he had just complied though, we wouldn't have anything to talk about here.
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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it wouldn't be a story.
and the cop would not have been charged.
Good comeback, but I still believe cops frequently get away with murder.
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:35 AM
Status: "Fly the W and NOW I know what the P stands for!" (set 10 days ago)
 
Location: Suburb of Chitcago
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Good comeback, but I still believe cops frequently get away with murder.

True. But that has nothing to do with this case.
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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The moral of the story here is if you are a police officer, just lie, you will likely get away with it.
The moral of the story is simply comply regardless if you are right or not. The "right" of it can all be ironed out once you are sitting in front of the chiefs desk with your lawyer.

Now, a reasonable person would comply, but considering this guy was on PCP, I think it is clear to say that criminal drug users don't comply.

There is no argument for you here, you are wrong, the guy was high on PCP, he failed to comply, now he is taking a dirt nap.

I would say, all and all, it was a good day.
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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Good comeback, but I still believe cops frequently get away with murder.
Then you would be ignorant of reality.

Let me ask you a question...

Was Rodney King treated unfairly in his arrest?

This will show your knowledge of issues.
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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Not sure she should have fired, but I was not there of course. Seems if he had just complied though, we wouldn't have anything to talk about here.
While the PCP knowledge is after the fact, the problem with these issues is that an officer has no idea what to expect when a person does not comply. They don't know if the person is mentally ill, stupid, trying to kill them, high on drugs, or dangerous or not. They really just do not know.

This is key to the next point people fail to understand. A police officer is not required to risk their life for another. They are not required by law to place themselves in any elevated danger in their job. This is why they are not a "protection" role, they are legally and constitutionally merely administers of the law.

Having seen many reports on incidents concerning PCP I can tell you that the last thing you want to be is near someone on that crap. It is bad stuff, so bad that to even be on it automatically establishes the user as legally insane while under the influence.

Now as unfortunate as it is that this guy was shot for not complying, lets not excuse his responsibility here. He CHOSE to use an ILLEGAL DRUG which is known for causing legal insanity.

This really is a situation of "stupid is as stupid does" and there is no justification in it.

People need to comply, or deal with the fallout, regardless if they are right or wrong... consequences will be measured.
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:55 AM
 
Location: In an alternate universe according to some, AKA Aspergers
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Good comeback, but I still believe cops frequently get away with murder.
I wouldn't say "frequently" but would agree it does happen. I would certainly say they "frequently" get away with abuse of power and assault though...
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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The moral of the story here is if you are a police officer, just lie, you will likely get away with it.
What was her lie?
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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We don't know exactly what happened before backup arrived but that was one big dude high on PCP and I am sure the officer realized he was unpredictable.

PCP is a dissociative drug. People high on it do not realize reality and will behave according to their hallucinations.

While under the influence of PCP, people are more likely to act aggressively or violently against others or themselves.
PCP Effects | Short Term, Long Term & Side Effects
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:10 AM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Went to a jury and obviously they believed what she said. Next time listen to the cops.
There is no point in bringing this up. Doesn't matter. In the mind of the hardcore leftist, the criminal is always in the right, should be free to commit any crime as he/she sees fit, and should never be confronted or inhibited from doing so. The cop is always wrong and may as well put the pistol muzzle to his/her own head and pull the trigger, rather than trying to stop the crime.
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