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Old 05-19-2017, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I condemn their actions equally. If both of those religions were to mind their own business and stop trying to force their beliefs on everyone else then I would have no problem with either.
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:23 PM
 
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I condemn their actions equally. If both of those religions were to mind their own business and stop trying to force their beliefs on everyone else then I would have no problem with either.
Yes!
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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I condemn their actions equally. If both of those religions were to mind their own business and stop trying to force their beliefs on everyone else then I would have no problem with either.
Exactly. However, the world we live in does have double standards. I am a liberal Democrat. I am also a Christian. Judaism and Christianity enjoy a freedom to question our faiths openly then does Islamic believers do in many parts of the world. So I think it is true what the OP pointed out. Yet, I tell the OP so what if it happens to Christians ? Didn't Jesus tell his believers they would face rejection, ridicule, and persecution ? Doesn't mean that Christians have any right to persecute or mistreat any other group in the meantime.
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:46 PM
 
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Christians need to realize that ridicule or critical scrutiny of Chrianity is nothing to fear and actually good for us. Keeps us honest, humble, and exposing our flaws is a good thing. Thank God for the Boston Globe and NYT exposing clerical abuse with children in the US for example.
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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Does religion (or political faction) matter to the critiquing and examination of "bad behavior"?
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:21 PM
 
Location: USA
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As far as treating women and gay people like animals? Have you spent much time in rural, white America?

It's a completely different level.

A gay couple kissing in public in Saudi Arabia will be jailed or worse. A married woman who is raped could be sentenced to prison in Saudi Arabia. In Indonesia, if a woman joins the military she has to go through the "two finger" test. Look at Muslim countries around the world. Look not only at their laws but the culture. Their culture and laws are based a lot on Islam. It's nothing compared to Alabama, even rural Alabama.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:24 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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False equivalency ?
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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You misunderstand my post. I am not saying Christians haven't killed people in their warped interpretation. I am saying why a liberal museum could have an exhibit of let's say an image of Christ covered in manure but would never tolerate a Koran in manure. Let's face it a museum would be scared to death of being blown up. Now that is a fact. Yet, as a Christian I am not offended of Christians being ridiculed and nor do I believe Christians in the US are persecuted. Christians in the US are not persecuted whatso ever. Also if Christians would really face persecution in the US it would be exactly what Jesus promised his followers would happen as it does in many parts of the world. Yet, this is the point for the OP, when was the last time he prayed for those he feels are persecuting him ? And doing good for them ???
I think I understand your point, but I have to disagree with it. I'm Jewish, and it was Christians who killed 6,000,000 Jews and another 6,000,000 people. And when I get tired and depressed and worried that history could repeat itself and my son and I could be on our way to a concentration camp, it would be Christians sending us there.

Right now, the majority of Christians aren't anywhere near that warped and perverted interpretation of Christianity. But some are, and some of those people are in positions of great authority in this country and in this presidential administration. So yes, at least a part of me is scared to death of what Christians might do to me, if enough of them decide to.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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It's a completely different level.

A gay couple kissing in public in Saudi Arabia will be jailed or worse. A married woman who is raped could be sentenced to prison in Saudi Arabia. In Indonesia, if a woman joins the military she has to go through the "two finger" test. Look at Muslim countries around the world. Look not only at their laws but the culture. Their culture and laws are based a lot on Islam. It's nothing compared to Alabama, even rural Alabama.
I agree. What my fellow liberals will do is make an argument against Christians to point out that we aren't perfect. Which is true. Yet, by doing so the falsely equate an orange with a hand grenade. Islamic countries right now routinely deny the most basic civil rights. Christian fundamentalist may dislike gays, may feel gays are demonic, but they seek at worst to thru politics to make life harder for gays but not kill them. Again because Christians face challenge from the press and critical arguments Christian denominations have grown more and more tolerant towards gays. In Islamic countries liberal scrutiny is punishable as un Islamic and that can lead to extreme retaliation.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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I think I understand your point, but I have to disagree with it. I'm Jewish, and it was Christians who killed 6,000,000 Jews and another 6,000,000 people. And when I get tired and depressed and worried that history could repeat itself and my son and I could be on our way to a concentration camp, it would be Christians sending us there.

Right now, the majority of Christians aren't anywhere near that warped and perverted interpretation of Christianity. But some are, and some of those people are in positions of great authority in this country and in this presidential administration. So yes, at least a part of me is scared to death of what Christians might do to me, if enough of them decide to.
If I was Jewish I would agree with you more then likely. Your viewpoint is evidenced by history. That is why I like the fact that as a Christian my history and values are constantly questioned and challenged. Some fundamentalist Christians might feel we are being persecuted for being challenged. But I applaud it. It's ideas and not violence after all. As a liberal in the US I seek to defend the under dog and Muslims in the US deserve my help for equal protection. Yet, in the world at large Islam needs scrutiny by all who can point out the lack of civil rights protection for various people in Islamic countries. PS I am no fan of millennial Christians in positions of power in the US. Millenial Christians Google it are not millenials who are Christians by the way, lol.
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