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Old 05-19-2017, 06:04 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Once again, I get it. I see all the same things we all do in terms of how Trump can put his foot in his mouth, the Muslim bans being too extreme, tweeting all night, not being sensitive, et all (did I miss anything?) I also get how Fox can be bias, just as MSNBC, and CNN. Furthermore, I get how Obama was less vocal and more behind the scenes. But lets face it, a Democrat isn't President.

So, why is it when you argue with liberals, they always take the stance that you are defending trump and not Conservative values? Why do they always associating a pro-America stance with love for Trump?

Lastly, why are the democrats playing such dirty hardcore defense, especially when you have the majority of MSM on your side?

At the end of the day, the Democrats will have their day and I really hope they don't have it this bad...
No, you don't get it, and you likely never will. There's nothing I, nor anyone can say to convince you if you don't even trust your own eyes and ears.

#dunningkrugereffect
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:32 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Well, what you said was ambiguous--could have been taken either way, but I assumed you were trying to "school" people on the fact a trump impeachment wouldn't put Clinton in the WH.

I can see where you were saying trump's main accomplishment was keeping Clinton OUT of the WH, but I disagree.

Really, when the actual election came down to a choice between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, the entire nation lost.


I can agree with this. I guess it comes down to who you think is the better of the two. I didn't vote for either but I am happy Hillary was not elected.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Well I am not "left" but here are the actual actions Trump has taken that I don't like:

Hiring drug warrior as AG
Hiring an ISP shill in place at head of FCC, who immediately started attempts to undermine net neutrality
Hiring an Oil Company shill in place as head of the EPA
Putting multiple Goldman Sachs shills in place in cabinet positions
Putting a Fast Food shill in place as head of FDA
Alienating allies and intelligence partners through reckless behavior
The spastic twittering

A lot of these actions will not begin to impact peoples every day lives for a while, as it takes time for cumulative policy changes to occur.

I like the round up of the gang members and the pressure being exerted on that front. Most of the rest of his decisions I am ambivalent about.

This and the nearly daily drama of a dysfunctional white house. One never knows from day to day if we'll be at war and people close to us will be sacrificed. I am not left or right. I am a patriot who finds it terribly disturbing to see our great country becoming untrustworthy in the eyes of the world. American's are hated enough in certain parts of the world, now I feel even less safe traveling abroad. I also wonder where that pesticide that was deemed to unsafe by the now almost defunct EPA is being used. Way to go Dow chemical and Trump. Who's water supply did you sacrifice for the sake of a buck for the 1%?
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Wonderful. All is good when I don't have to hear screechy Hillary . Oh Happy day!!!
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Hindering prosecution into an investigation to protect democracy. Trumpcare is basically returning us to the old healthcare system that was worse than Obamacare. Putting money backers into his cabinet (some are braindead picks for the jobs they have.)
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:10 PM
 
Location: deep forest...BEARS?
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He has caused anxiety to a lot of people who desperately need health insurance. That's the main reason I hate him. If he and his people repeal health insurance, a lot of people will suffer and die. (I can hear some Republicans cheering!)

And that's part of the problem. Why do some want others to suffer and die? Insurance shouldn't be tied to a job. If a person loses their job, the last thing they need on top of the worry of finding a new job, is the worry of getting sick and not being able to get health care.

If a person has to resign from their job for health reasons, it is ironic that they would lose their health insurance--the main thing that would get them well enough to return to work.

The mean spirited threat to repeal health insurance is the main reason I despise this man. He can't seem to understand that this is a first world country and that good countries take care of their citizens. Make America Worse, that's him. (MAW)
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:23 PM
 
Location: NYC
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He has caused anxiety to a lot of people who desperately need health insurance. That's the main reason I hate him. If he and his people repeal health insurance, a lot of people will suffer and die. (I can hear some Republicans cheering!)

And that's part of the problem. Why do some want others to suffer and die? Insurance shouldn't be tied to a job. If a person loses their job, the last thing they need on top of the worry of finding a new job, is the worry of getting sick and not being able to get health care.

If a person has to resign from their job for health reasons, it is ironic that they would lose their health insurance--the main thing that would get them well enough to return to work.

The mean spirited threat to repeal health insurance is the main reason I despise this man. He can't seem to understand that this is a first world country and that good countries take care of their citizens. Make America Worse, that's him. (MAW)
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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Once again, I get it. I see all the same things we all do in terms of how Trump can put his foot in his mouth, the Muslim bans being too extreme, tweeting all night, not being sensitive, et all (did I miss anything?) I also get how Fox can be bias, just as MSNBC, and CNN. Furthermore, I get how Obama was less vocal and more behind the scenes. But lets face it, a Democrat isn't President.

So, why is it when you argue with liberals, they always take the stance that you are defending trump and not Conservative values? Why do they always associating a pro-America stance with love for Trump?

Lastly, why are the democrats playing such dirty hardcore defense, especially when you have the majority of MSM on your side?

At the end of the day, the Democrats will have their day and I really hope they don't have it this bad...
First, love of America has NOTHING to do with a love of Trump. Trump isn't pro-America as much as he's pro-Trump. But Trump's version of pro-America entails a kind of selfishness and ruthlessness and exclusion with is essentially un-American.

I have no idea what you may mean by "dirty hardcore defense." Democrats are pretty much citing facts. Unlike Trump.

Lastly, your title is not reflected in the body of your post. But I would hope that you understand that a smart person, an ethical person, would not need to be personally affected by Trump, or any specific policy, to make him rise up in anger. As a Democrat, I'm concerned with principles, not just my own individual needs. That's what most Trump supporters, mired in their own selfishness, don't seem to understand. I personally am not affected by Trump. But that doesn't mean that I'm not horrified by his greed, his blithe conflicts of interests, his trampling of all norms, his mean-spirited bullying, his incessant lying, the possibility of foreign collision, his persecution of a free press.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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Nothing is going to happen to Trump, but for the sake of argument it did... I'm going to laugh because now they will place a real Conservative into the White House (Pence). Trump actually has ideas from both sides of the aisle, but Liberals declared war on Trump, which is jsut hurting Liberals.
Agreed.

Maybe that's why Bush 43 kept Cheney for his 2nd term even tho the VP wasn't real well liked, even by a LOT of us Repubs. If Bush 43 went down during his term, then Cheney would've become POTUS.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Once again, I get it. I see all the same things we all do in terms of how Trump can put his foot in his mouth, the Muslim bans being too extreme, tweeting all night, not being sensitive, et all (did I miss anything?) I also get how Fox can be bias, just as MSNBC, and CNN. Furthermore, I get how Obama was less vocal and more behind the scenes. But lets face it, a Democrat isn't President.

So, why is it when you argue with liberals, they always take the stance that you are defending trump and not Conservative values? Why do they always associating a pro-America stance with love for Trump?

Lastly, why are the democrats playing such dirty hardcore defense, especially when you have the majority of MSM on your side?

At the end of the day, the Democrats will have their day and I really hope they don't have it this bad...
Because Trump is basically a liberal Democrat? True conservatives don't like him.
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