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Old 05-19-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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The only thing Bill set the stage for is the Access Hollywood tape not destroying Trump like Hillary and the libs expected
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:06 PM
 
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I was just thinking about this. It was clear a year ago that Trump was unfit to be president, whether you were considering it in terms of his unstable temperament, his lack of experience, or his general ignorance. But it seems to me that one reason that Democrats were instantly ready to look for reasons to impeach dates back to the Republican treatment of Bill Clinton.

Prior to Bill Clinton, the last discussion of impeachment had been two decades earlier, triggered by Nixon's attempt to undermine the electoral process. By contrast, Bill Clinton was a generally popular president, smart, experienced, presiding over a fairly good period. But Republican were so rabid to undermine him that they latched onto everything they could, finally fixating on a relationship that was tawdry, but certainly not illegal, and certainly not imperiling the country, as had been the case with Nixon. They were fixating on his having lied, under oath, about a purely personal matter that no one should have been asking about.

But I think it may have opened the door for today. Because if Republicans were so quick to go off the deep end for something so inconsequential, surely that gives Democrat the ammunition to immediately object to something that is, again, potentially undermining the basic underpinnings of the country.
One of the biggest mistakes made by this Senate was the Filibuster couture. Regrets they will have more than a few.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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Let's see here, plenty of evidence Clinton committed perjury (I'll PM you what that means and how it happened).

So far, no evidence Trump has done anything impeachable.
Perjury after a Special Prosecutor waited around long enough to find an unrelated issue that Clinton lied about. Remember, Ken Starr was impaneled to look into Clinton's extra marital affairs. The investigation just rooted around until they found something. Same thing can happen to Trump.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:21 PM
 
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But Republican were so rabid to undermine him that they latched onto everything they could, finally fixating on a relationship that was tawdry, but certainly not illegal, and certainly not imperiling the country, as had been the case with Nixon. They were fixating on his having lied, under oath, about a purely personal matter that no one should have been asking about.
He perjured himself and while very rarely prosecuted for civil cases he could of went to jail for it.....ultimately he was disbarred for his actions. Just so it's clear the reason that question was asked of him is they were trying to establish a pattern of sexual abuse.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:24 PM
 
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Democrats started talking impeachment about 5am on Wednesday Nov 9.

It had zero to do with Clinton. They were in such a state of shock Impeachment was mentioned on day 1. If Trump beat Hillary in a fixed election for Hillary, it had to be dishonest.

This.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:27 PM
 
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Perjury after a Special Prosecutor waited around long enough to find an unrelated issue that Clinton lied about. Remember, Ken Starr was impaneled to look into Clinton's extra marital affairs. The investigation just rooted around until they found something. Same thing can happen to Trump.
Clinton was being sued in civil court for sexual harassment when he perjured himself.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, not Paris. #MAGA.
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Oh?

As I said - did you read? - he lied about a private intimate matter, which was legal, about which the questions should have not been asked, which did not impact the country. Can you possibly be so willfully dense as to think that's worse than the way the Trump investigation is headed? Yes, "so far," as you say. Yet, many smoking guns, and he's barely past the 100-day mark.

Funny, I can't help but wonder if you were one of the many accusing Hillary, who, despite all her years in the arena also has not been found guilty of anything serious, despite the appalling sight of Trump supporters chanting "String her up!"
What a loony response. The issue wasn't with Bill lying. The issue wasn't with Bill lying about questions that "should have not been asked" (and whether they should or should not have been asked isn't up to you and, ultimately, irrelevant to the question of impeachment). The issue is that Bill committed perjury by lying under oath. Period. Well, that and he obstructed justice in the process.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:33 PM
 
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.... about which the questions should have not been asked, which did not impact the country. "
You need to read the history of what happened here. Clinton was being sued in civil court for sexual harassment. He was asked that question by Paula Jones's Lawyers to help establish a pattern of sexual abuse/encounters.

What do you expect them to ask him, what he ate for lunch?
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:36 PM
 
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Let's see here, plenty of evidence Clinton committed perjury (I'll PM you what that means and how it happened).

So far, no evidence Trump has done anything impeachable.
Good point. The democrats want to try Trump in the court of public opinion. Clinton was impeached by the house for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. The 2/3rds vote in the senate is tough to overcome.

My feeling is Trump will resign by the end of May. Just a hunch but being on the receiving end of endless dirty tricks will get very old very fast.

I hope Pence is the Dems worst nightmare.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:39 PM
 
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What a loony response. The issue wasn't with Bill lying. The issue wasn't with Bill lying about questions that "should have not been asked" (and whether they should or should not have been asked isn't up to you and, ultimately, irrelevant to the question of impeachment). The issue is that Bill committed perjury by lying under oath. Period. Well, that and he obstructed justice in the process.
Sorry, but that's absurd. The law traditionally takes into account all kinds of factors - such as intent. And, yes, as you said, the issue was about Clinton lying - about a question that shouldn't have been asked, and was irrelevant to the country.

There's something radically wrong with a country that would impeach President Clinton for lies about a private sexual matter, yet not President Bush for lies that pushed us into a war.
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