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Old 05-22-2017, 07:10 AM
 
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Government doesn't grant rights, it only takes them away. Quit looking to government to run your life. Without Freedom, Rights mean little.
And that explains why the U.S. is rated as "less free" than many of those other countries offering universal/single payer healthcare?

Perhaps you need to more logically prioritize your "freedoms"?

The freedom or right to die for lack of adequate healthcare might seem counter intuitive to some.
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:40 AM
 
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Why would anyone want a gov apparatchik making healthcare decisions for them?
You were asked "what decisions" by another poster and your answer would be.......?????

Castigating a system for a supposed failing that does not exist in any form in any system thusly administered in any other country is ...........odd.
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:48 AM
 
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You were asked "what decisions" by another poster and your answer would be.......?????

Castigating a system for a supposed failing that does not exist in any form in any system thusly administered in any other country is ...........odd.
Here in america, he who pays the bills calls the tune. Where do you live again?

And you're opposed to private insurance between you and your doctor but okay with a bureaucrat in the middle? Good god man have some consistency.
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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Not knowing anything about how universal/single payer healthcare is administered is obvious with this one.

The freedom to pick you own physician, to attend as many pre-emptive medical examination appointments as you & your physician think pertinent, enjoy the stress free privilege of never having to consider the costs of ANY of your required healthcare, or whether it will even be approved, is something Americans have to date, never experienced.

No hunting and careful consideration required for your and your families particular plan only to find later it doesn't cover the particular illness you and yours are unfortunate enough to encounter. No consideration of "in-network" Dr. or not.

No consideration of whether your cancer treatment plan will be approved for reimbursement by some cubicle denizen that may not have graduated high school. No subsequent delay therefore; with treatment started in as timely manner as possible without multiple demands for further information or to attend a specialist approved by a third entity.

NONE of that exists in other countries, while ALL of it and even more intrusive stuff does in the U.S.
Prove it. And prove that there isn't healthcare rationing in other countries.

Additionally, why do you care? You live in Canada. Our system isn't a system you have to live under.
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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And that explains why the U.S. is rated as "less free" than many of those other countries offering universal/single payer healthcare?
Less free from a collectivist, society wide POV, but not to those of us who cherish individual freedoms.

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Perhaps you need to more logically prioritize your "freedoms"?
Perhaps you need to MYOB, and worry about your own country.

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The freedom or right to die for lack of adequate healthcare might seem counter intuitive to some.
Perhaps it does in Canada, but in the U.S., insurance doesn't necessarily = healthcare.
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:30 AM
 
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Do Americans believe that private options cannot coexist with universal healthcare?
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:30 AM
 
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ALW had prostrate cancer, he was re-admitted for a post op infection, but I can find no mention of 19 operations.

Phill Collins wife Orianne had spinal surgery to treat a slipped disc in her neck - that surgery left her paralyzed & needing therapy, & no longer in a wheelchair or walking with a cane. Note that Trump & most Republicans want to limit medical malpratice claims & ability to sue.
The operation is for sciatic nerve damage from acupuncture. Here is a link about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ling-pain.html

And here is an article about Phill Collins and his wife. Some pictures I've found she's walking with a cane and some articles I've found her saying she has no feeling on her upper body.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...rew-again.html

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Old 05-22-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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I read it's a right in Russia.
It was under the Soviet System, but Russia is no longer giving a lot of free medical care.

After the Soviet era of universal care, Russia today has a mix of public hospitals and clinics, where most treatment is technically free, and much pricier private facilities with better care. Russians are paying more out of pocket.

To be seen by a specialist, people must be referred by a general practitioner. Appointments, though, are only for a given day, not a specific time, so patients often end up waiting for hours. Those willing to hand over a bribe of about 1,000 rubles can be seen immediately. After the 1960s quality of healthcare began to decline as did the general standard of living in Russia.
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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I am not saying that people shouldn't get health care, I am merely saying that it's a privilege to have it.
Congress made it a right when they passed the Medicare Act.

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Y'all are some heartless mofos. Don't worry though. With my medical condition and lack of good, afordable healthcare, I'll be dead in a few years.
And don't bother asking for any pain meds stronger than ibuprofen from your doc to ease your transition either.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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It was under the Soviet System, but Russia is no longer giving a lot of free medical care.

After the Soviet era of universal care, Russia today has a mix of public hospitals and clinics, where most treatment is technically free, and much pricier private facilities with better care. Russians are paying more out of pocket.

To be seen by a specialist, people must be referred by a general practitioner. Appointments, though, are only for a given day, not a specific time, so patients often end up waiting for hours. Those willing to hand over a bribe of about 1,000 rubles can be seen immediately. After the 1960s quality of healthcare began to decline as did the general standard of living in Russia.
After the 70ies to be more precise.
I read a lot of horror stories now when the health care has been "partially privatized" and government portion of the healthcare has been significantly reduced.
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