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Lots of them are. The disabled and elderly is a huge group that will be affected. The disabled currently get $700 a month in SSI.
Some conservatives just like to imagine that all poor people are lazy people in the ghettos. Thats not the case.
This is a direct assault on the disabled and the elderly. But since you are not, you support this cruel policy. All in the name of propping up the military industrial complex and big donors.
I doubt very much if these cuts are going to affect the truly disabled or needy elderly. No real details have been linked yet.
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I bet you would sing another tune if you were blind and paralyzed and had two children to take care of.
I bet if you are blind and paralyzed with 2 kids you will still be receiving care.
How about if this turns out not to be a direct assault on the needy. You donate $50 to "Helping Makes you Happy" (one of my favorite charities) or Long Island Cares . If it does I will donate $100 to your favorite charity whose purpose is providing food to the poor.
Those who are actually committing fraud to receive services will be fine. They are good at it, they know what they are doing. The cuts will affect those who need it and who would have no idea how to scam the system nor would they. They will just quietly be dropped and forgotten, too sick, tired and defeated to fight back. I hope you are happy to support this.
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More like a statement of fact. I think most of us realize that one has to have a conscience to actually feel guilt, so no danger there.
The person you just quoted was quoting me when they said I was "throwing guilt trips around," implying that I didn't know what the bible said about helping others.
So I proceeded to post several scriptures directly from the bibleabout helping your fellow man.
I wonder if they will respond to me or just ignore me.
I'm in favor of creating an agency staffed with fraud investigators who do nothing but weed out the social program connivers, liars & crooks. As a recipient, you don't cooperate with the investigators, you don't get a check. If you are found to be cheating, you get arrested and justice will run its course. It may take awhile, but eventually the social programs will be cleaned up and vast amounts of money will be saved.
I don't know how successful that business model would be. This sounds a lot like when Republicans were all about drug tests for welfare recipients because they imagined the welfare ranks were chocked full of drug addicts abusing the system. Then when they actually did the tests, actual drug use cases were virtually nil. It's a classic case where conservatives like the idea of something because they have all these preconceived beliefs only for them to get *****slapped with reality. Of course, reality is not popular in conservative circles, so they've now just started calling it "fake news".
The proposals are not more resources for policing. I am PERFECTLY fine with more policing to catch fraud. But that is not what the ruling donor class who run the government wants. They want DEEP cuts in the public safety nets for the 99% in order to fund massive tax breaks and other gifts to themselves. This is what we are discussing here. $800 billion in cuts to Medicaid alone is a death sentence for huge numbers of people.
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tax breaks and other gifts
Taxing someone less is not a gift. it is allowing them to keep more of their money.
PCALMike is correct. SSDI is for workers who became disabled, who have contributed to SS for a number of years and or quarters. SSI is welfare in which contributions are made from state and federal. Last numbers I've read (SSI) is $700 per month on average.
I've been reading about that in fact. Mike is indeed correct that the SSI maximum monthly amount is $733.00 for an individual and $1100 per couple. I stand corrected on this point - I was thinking of SSDI, not SSI. Making a clear distinction between the two is important. My mistake!
The $733 isn't the sole benefit however, which deserves fair mention if we're to remain factual:
Title XVI of the Social Security Act 1611, provides monthly federal cash assistance of up to $733 for an individual and $1,100 for a couple (as of 2015)[35] to help meet the costs of basic needs of food, shelter and clothing. In most states, SSI eligibility usually assures concurrent access to important medical coverage under the various state Medicaid programs and sometimes access to Section 8 housing benefits. In some states, supplemental payments are made by the state, increasing the cash assistance available through SSI. For example, the state of California, through its State Supplementation Program (SSP), increases the cash assistance, making the total 2015 SSI benefit $889.40 per month.
Boy you are so full of doo-doo. Weakest safety net.
Okay, when you live in a socialistic, marxist, communistic dictatorship, your money is divided up by government. You have to work via a contract, and are taxed very heavily, so others can benefit.
In our country, we live off of our income that we make at our employment. But, you feel we should keep raising taxes to give the poor more.
Our unemployment rate according the left is the lowest ever, EVER. Yet, you just stated it is not. You cant have it both ways..
If more companies were brought back to the country via tax incentives (which means wealthy people get to spend their money on their business's for example vice to the government). Then more people get employed in the USA, and more people get income taxed which supports your hammock. But, During Clintons administration programs like NAFTA sent jobs away..
Its a vicious circle. But we live in a capitalistic country, not a freeloader country. But, we do take care of people better than all the other countries I have visited int he last 30 years.
You need to read between the lines of stats. Other countrys poor and their socilaism is not a comparison to ours.
USA is an awesome country, thats why so many people want to be here, except the whiny basement dwellers and uber rich liberals in their gated communitys.
It must not be so bad. We have people risking their lives just to get into our borders.
I think this response just sums it up nicely. I have a job and I am not on any public assistance. But I also have compassion and I can see that even more gifts to the ruling donor class and the Wall Street fat cats will just kill off any semblance of democracy in America. Its especially galling to pay for those gifts by ripping away support for the most desperate and underprivileged people in America.
In Cali, the disabled get about $900 a month, in the rest of the country, its $700 a month. You claim you dont give a flying hoot. And that is unfortunate. Because the ruling donor class dont give a flying hoot about you either even though you vote for them. And that is why the working class will continue to suffer even as support for the disabled and the poor is cut to the bone. You wont see an improved standard of living though these policies, on the contrary. But the ruling donor class will. And they are the ones who will have the money to win elections, not you.
For too long there has been a segment of society that has no shame in going on the public dole.
They are taught from a young age that much is owed them. This carries from one generation to the next. They think this behavior is normal. They are allowed to be uninspired, and there is no effort to encourage or chastise the lazy among the deserving.
It's time we as a society yank these parasitic weeds and allow them to visit a jobsite.
The nonsense about abandoning the truly needy only works against the Left and their advocates.
Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.
The first is progressive principals because a progressive is evil and loves the feeling of power, control, and self elevation of being the "giver". They love the need of another, the dependence of another because they relish the power and feeling it gives them.
The latter is the principal of someone who actually wants to help someone. Their solution is not to simply give a hand out, to gain power or control. It is to help the person in a way that allows them to become self sufficient, so that they can eventually pass on the same to another in need of help.
You say demonize the poor? Who is more of a demon to the poor?
The one who keeps them dependent, excuses responsibility?
Or the one that encourages self responsibility?
I would say that the former demonizes the poor for their own worthless benefit.
Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.
BIGGEST BULL EVER !!!
the are no hooks- there is no bait- there is no poles or even teachers-- NOT even way to the dam creek!
Because -the education and accessibility or opportunity is NOT there- LIES
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