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Old 05-22-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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Until you can disprove their study, you got nothing.
Wait, are you arguing that unless I can prove a negative, it's not wrong? That's the exact opposite of a logical thought process and confirms what many of us have been saying- conservatives would rather engage in beliefs based in feelings than in unbiased facts. Your linked site is not unbiased and has a well-established anti-immigrant agenda and reputation. Therefore, anything within that site, at the very least, should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism. In the very article you linked, it stated falsely that "most illegals don't pay taxes", yet in a 50-state study a few years ago, in 2012, 71% of undocumented immigrants did, in fact, pay billions in taxes without receiving direct benefits.
Study Finds Illegal Immigrants Pay $11.8B in Taxes | The Fiscal Times


As for the cost of illegal immigration, the majority of studies I've seen support a net economic positive.
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Dixie
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Wait, are you arguing that unless I can prove a negative, it's not wrong? That's the exact opposite of a logical thought process and confirms what many of us have been saying- conservatives would rather engage in beliefs based in feelings than in unbiased facts. Your linked site is not unbiased and has a well-established anti-immigrant agenda and reputation. Therefore, anything within that site, at the very least, should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism. In the very article you linked, it stated falsely that "most illegals don't pay taxes", yet in a 50-state study a few years ago, in 2012, 71% of undocumented immigrants did, in fact, pay billions in taxes without receiving direct benefits.
Study Finds Illegal Immigrants Pay $11.8B in Taxes | The Fiscal Times


As for the cost of illegal immigration, the majority of studies I've seen support a net economic positive.
Uh no, because in order to pay taxes you have to be working. If you're an illegal working in the U.S., you're taking a job away from an American and 11.8 billion is a far cry from 113 billion. Not to mention they are here ILLEGALLY while others who follow the legal immigration process wait years.
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:18 PM
 
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If you are depending on others to feed, clothe and house you...you need much more than money. Not in every case of course. But charity should be absolutely private, not government.

Now healthcare, to me that's different. It's smart business to provide healthcare to your citizens without putting a financial hardship on them. So get out of the welfare business and get into the healthcare business.
nope your post is just self serving muck.

You know there is a high likelihood you or yours will one day need government help with healthcare, thus you "want that". The rest you think you and yours will likely be OK, thus you wish to save money and deny it to others.

that is what we see with Republicans all the time. A desire to TAKE and never GIVE, greed, selfishness dressed up as politics. Just like the old brotherhoods that barred woman and marriage to protect their wealth and not for any real religious reasons.
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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No wonder the people who came out and voted to put Trump over the top in the rust belt are called "deplorables." Most, if not all of them, are the very ones that will be cut off at the knees by Trump's cuts. Stupid people do stupid things!
yep, but what do you do? They will blame someone else next and then someone else. right now they are blaming Muslims, non-white immigrants and Hilary.

Facts are the enemy of ignorance, and Trump thrives on his believers having "faith" in him. this is why he calls for them to "believe" him. He needs supporters that blindly believe in "Trump" as a faith based relationship.
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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So where do you do all of your C-D posting ?
Probably the public library or anyplace else there is free wifi. Do you begrudge him that, too? He can't be poor because he has an old smart phone or $50 tablet that someone gave him?
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:45 PM
 
Location: sumter
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Ah yes, because nothing says "good conservative christian values" like cutting assistance to the poor.

I'm sure Jesus would be so proud of you.


Nice and Amen.
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:50 PM
 
Location: sumter
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So you think progressives cannot be Christians?? really????????????
I know right. For there is no respecter of person with God.
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Dixie
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Probably the public library or anyplace else there is free wifi. Do you begrudge him that, too? He can't be poor because he has an old smart phone or $50 tablet that someone gave him?
It's a her and instead of attacking me, why don't you offer to help her ?????
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Houston
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nope your post is just self serving muck.

You know there is a high likelihood you or yours will one day need government help with healthcare, thus you "want that". The rest you think you and yours will likely be OK, thus you wish to save money and deny it to others.

that is what we see with Republicans all the time. A desire to TAKE and never GIVE, greed, selfishness dressed up as politics. Just like the old brotherhoods that barred woman and marriage to protect their wealth and not for any real religious reasons.
What we see with Democrats is buying votes with programs that perpetuate poverty and increase mortality.
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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What we see with Democrats is buying votes with programs that perpetuate poverty and increase mortality.
Like when Clinton signed into law welfare reform which stopped families from staying on welfare for generations?

Uh huh.
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