Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-23-2017, 02:08 PM
 
9,576 posts, read 7,334,337 times
Reputation: 14004

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas View Post
Correct, you can buy all the shotgun shells you want, not to mention fire crackers. Heck there are the makings of explosives under most peoples kitchen sink.
You're right, you can get some M-80 or M-100 firecrackers and do some serious damage, no need to go all fancy with C4.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-23-2017, 03:39 PM
 
28,670 posts, read 18,788,917 times
Reputation: 30969
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bagu View Post
With this carnage in GB by a born citizen of middle east parents shows that a similar action is possible in the US in the coming future.
Not nearly so much. The major difference is in what has been the long-time difference between the assimilation of immigrants in the US compared to those in Britain (especially) an in other countries to a great extent.

The general attitude of Britains is "You may be born in the UK, but you'll never be British." Essentially, there was a brick wall against assimilation. Because of that, immigrant enclave communities become tight and permanent--there may be third generation UK-born who still don't speak English as their first language.

With relatively little exception (at least until recently) birth in the US renders acceptability as Americans. Generally speaking, Americans have been willing to allow the assimilation of immigrants as quickly as they've been willing to accept assimilation. It's unusual to find a third-generation American born who isn't speaking English as his first language...and maybe not his grandparent's language at all.

It's not impossible for the radicalization of an American-born citizen, but the difference in the dynamics of assimilation make it far less likely in the US than in Britain or France. A home-grown terrorist is a surprise in the US, but when you see the situation in the UK, it's not a surprise at all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2017, 04:11 PM
 
33,387 posts, read 34,841,834 times
Reputation: 20030
Quote:
Originally Posted by burdell View Post
Those nails do nothing without a chemical propellant, what the dogs are trained to sniff out.
Quote:
Originally Posted by skins_fan82 View Post
Correct. This thread makes no sense to me LOL
these guys are right OP, the dogs just sniff out the explosives used in the bombs. did you really think that nail themselves would explode in some manner without the necessary explosive ingredients? if so then perhaps yo need to tear your house down and get rid of all those nails as they might explode on you when you least expect it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2017, 07:22 PM
 
22,661 posts, read 24,599,374 times
Reputation: 20339
Soft-targets abound and any of them could be attacked.....no possible way to secure them all.

A huge bomb detonated in a crowded area, a squad of Jihadists with automatic weapons and grenades, a huge truck plowing through a crowded area, a surface to air rocket taking-out a fully-packed airliner.......the list goes on and on and on.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2017, 07:23 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
23,707 posts, read 30,749,085 times
Reputation: 9985
Quote:
Originally Posted by moneill View Post
They suspect the guy came in at the end. I suspect from now on we will see heavy security LEAVING venues.
So what. Security should never end/leave before a venue is 100% over. As the weather outside was 80f, someone should have noticed him on some camera that he was either dressed incorrectly for the weather or acting strangely. Doubt he was a professional terrorist.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2017, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
12,601 posts, read 7,227,052 times
Reputation: 16799
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
So what. Security should never end/leave before a venue is 100% over. As the weather outside was 80c, someone should have noticed him on some camera that he was either dressed incorrectly for the weather or acting strangely. Doubt he was a professional terrorist.
Wearing a backpack isn't limited to weather or temps, and I think you mean 80F.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2017, 07:30 PM
 
6,617 posts, read 5,009,834 times
Reputation: 3689
Quote:
Originally Posted by kamban View Post
Oh no, that sounds like nails on a chalkboard
Nails don't kill people, people kill people, and guns they kill people as well.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2017, 07:31 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
23,707 posts, read 30,749,085 times
Reputation: 9985
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Town FFX View Post
Wearing a backpack isn't limited to weather or temps, and I think you mean 80F.
Wearing the backpack would not have been the issue. Wearing a coat to cover the wires would've been a sign plus the nervousness of an amateur terrorist should have been noticed. (Corrected temp)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2017, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
12,601 posts, read 7,227,052 times
Reputation: 16799
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
Wearing the backpack would not have been the issue. Wearing a coat to cover the wires would've been a sign plus the nervousness of an amateur terrorist should have been noticed. (Corrected temp)
There don't even need to be wires. A guy with a backpack, committed to his cause and accepting of what he is about to do, holding a cell phone wouldn't stick out as much as you may think. Just like how most people who commit suicide are reported to be happy, gleeful even in the days/weeks leading up to their demise.

I'm not trying to justify this act of terror, but I also don't think he would be as obvious as you may think it would be. Could have just as easily been a woman pushing a pram. Or a homeless looking bag person...now that I think of it, a homeless person may have actually attracted more attention than the prior.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Canada
6,141 posts, read 3,373,037 times
Reputation: 5790
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
So what. Security should never end/leave before a venue is 100% over. As the weather outside was 80c, someone should have noticed him on some camera that he was either dressed incorrectly for the weather or acting strangely. Doubt he was a professional terrorist.
I do believe it was identified a a high risk factory for any venue or high density building where old infrastructure had Subway or train stations combined within! Thus in NYC, they have been trying to separate access from such venue's. UK apparently is behind that curve.

Public service system's should never ( NOW post 911) be connected like they are/were. Soft targets like the one hit in UK in Manchester precisely exposes that weakness!! I would suggest, for a slight inconvenience now that there are those who wish to do harm USES what most people never even consider as a threat!

The Manchester bomber obviously couldn't get inside that venue so hung out at the exit.. then blew himself up! There's no defines when some young man @22 who is bent on a mission!! What he did is no different than an American who goes on a mission to get themselves off'd by Police, or plan like the Aurora Theater MASS shooting, or any other mass shooting by American's!! Psychotic/Disenfranchised/Radicalized.. What's the difference. Innocents die and the perp gets to plea out or die for their missions!!

This in not 1950 anymore... no body should claim that things were BETTER back then.. Economy goes up and down and a few crashes in-between... BUT what is Constant.. the Elite always survive, Government bails them out .. and the working class ALWAYS PAY!!

Prison's are a breeding ground for indoctrination... and historical in prisoning folks for minor crimes has actually manufactured dis-enfranchised and indoctrinated people.. America is absolved at all!! They love to blame outside sources for aberrant behaviours or Thug, Takers, Losers.. or Lazy people on the Dole! Just maybe, and this applies Internationally.. When anybody gets marginalized, demonized, with or without evidence.. Think about it?? Why wouldn't young people give up.. assume everyone in power is out to get me or blame me for something I didn't do????

This of course is NOT peculiar to USA but in general Globally. But of course, most posters often expose their individual views that actually exposes such a bias continually ( whether it's Politics, violence or having the nerve to protest) in threads!!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:51 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top