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Old 05-24-2017, 04:09 PM
 
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The kaiser one has some brutal online tools showing how the elderly rates can exceed their income in some states.
The elderly rate increase statistics are probably the most damning thing about these predictions. I'd love to see anyone justify that.

 
Old 05-24-2017, 04:13 PM
 
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The elderly rate increase statistics are probably the most damning thing about these predictions. I'd love to see anyone justify that.
I mean statistically its easy to justify. They are old. Old people get sick and at some point they die. Getting sick and dying is expensive. Justifying it from a humanitarian standpoint a bit harder.
 
Old 05-24-2017, 04:14 PM
 
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It's even worse under the headline. The CBO projects that premium costs for elderly low income people in states that waive essential health benefits would rise 800 percent from $1700 per year to over $13,000!
This will certainly cause huge numbers of deaths in that group. And many are Trump supporters. But they are not members of the big money donor class so not a priority for Trump and his cronies.
 
Old 05-24-2017, 04:14 PM
 
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I mean statistically its easy to justify. They are old. Old people get sick and at some point they die. Getting sick and dying is expensive.
Well, you're not (completely) wrong. But I doubt most people are, morally and ethically, OK with that kind of system. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
 
Old 05-24-2017, 04:14 PM
 
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I mean statistically its easy to justify. They are old. Old people get sick and at some point they die. Getting sick and dying is expensive.
We're talking about people in the 50-65 age group, not octogenarians.
 
Old 05-24-2017, 04:17 PM
 
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LOL. Yes, we should not be talking about Trump's healthcare bill in a thread about Trump's healthcare bill, because it makes the Trumpies uncomfortable. LOL.
LOL, if obama would have kept his promise (with the senate and house DEM), we would not be talking about how trump has to do it. NOT that hard to understand....



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Who obstructed this POS bill, chuck? No one, because it passed the House.

Your post is just chock full of fail.
Why is a POS bill?
 
Old 05-24-2017, 04:18 PM
 
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We're talking about people in the 50-65 age group, not octogenarians.
Its actually interesting looking at life expectancies because I bet a few decades back those numbers would be like - yea that guys probably gonna die soon. Now we live like 80-90+. At least we got some medicine.

I bet those numbers are when alot of problems would start showing up. Thing is we can fix a lot of em now. So the onward progress of life expectancy is at least holding stable.
 
Old 05-24-2017, 04:19 PM
 
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I could not agree more. Insurance companies are middle men standing in between the patient and their healthcare provider, and they provide absolutely nothing of value while sucking up our healthcare dollars in fat profits.

What benefits do they provide in the process? Absolutely none. They merely make everything more expensive while doing their best to deny care to as many people as they possibly can. They should be removed from the mix entirely.
I also agree completely. Nothing that involves the insurance companies for basic primary care is going to be worth a damn. Go all free market or all single payer or single payer hybrid (yes, this would still involve insurance companies, but by personal choice only).
 
Old 05-24-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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LOL, if obama would have kept his promise (with the senate and house DEM), we would not be talking about how trump has to do it. NOT that hard to understand....

Why is a POS bill?
Yes, the ACA wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I agree.

Trump promised to fix it.

This POS (piece of ****) bill doesn't do that. In fact, it makes things worse.

It's NOT that hard to understand.
 
Old 05-24-2017, 04:27 PM
 
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Yes, the ACA wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I agree.

Trump promised to fix it.

This POS (piece of ****) bill doesn't do that. In fact, it makes things worse.

It's NOT that hard to understand.
You don't even know what's in it and how it will affect you financially.
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