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Old 05-26-2017, 10:22 PM
 
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People won't pay the price for a grapefruit if the bottom line is 18.00 bucks an hour and a retirement plan for the pickers. The produce market would collapse. Sameo, Sameo, for chickens. You give the chicken pluckers a pension and a living wage, nobody will buy chickens.

Get a clue. All the hard, dirty jobs have always been done by immigrants.
Good, then get the REAL immigrants instead of the border hopping criminals. Perhaps we should cheat at our jobs by taking some money from the cash register and just call it an "undocumented withdrawal" and "redistribution of wealth" to make it sound more politically correct.
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Old 05-26-2017, 10:25 PM
 
Location: PSL
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For private growers?
Why not? Kill 2 birds with one stone. Revoke subsidies for free prisoner labor.

As for harvesting crops, I've seen machines that go out to an orange tree, shake the hell out of it and collect the fruit.
In PA a friend who has a 300 acre Vineyard has a tractor that stands about 8 feet tall, has what looks like the rollers inside of a car wash, only instead of brushes, has plastic fingers attached to those drums, with a tray. Grapes are plucked off the fine without damage to the vine. A 2% loss in grapes is his estimate.

Sounds like the engineers at John Deere could develop implements for California's produce... but would have to meet the ever so restrictive emissions... would probably cost the farmers 10x what they pay illegals.
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Old 05-26-2017, 10:51 PM
 
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Why not? Kill 2 birds with one stone. Revoke subsidies for free prisoner labor.
Revoke what subsidies? It would not be cheap to provide prison labor to private farms, the transportation and supervision costs would be expensive and there are already private enterprises that utilize inmate labor inside the prisons, so why would the prison be willing to cart them off to some vineyard? And farm harvesting is about as automated as is feasible right now but there are crops that just aren't amenable to machine harvesting, some are too fragile like peaches and others like certain berries harvest at different times.
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:00 PM
 
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Convict labor is the answer. CA prisons are dangerously overcrowded and the inmates spend their time, well I'd better not say. Now if the politicians would only allow a sentence of hard labor, things would be better for prisoners.
Only if they pay the convicts at least minimum wage. Otherwise this is a dangerous idea, because then you'll have every industry lobbying to really ramp up mass incarceration just so that they can get cheap labour.
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:44 PM
 
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Just wondering if anyone has figured out how high produce and poultry prices will go without illegals? It will be a lot.
Proof please. I've heard that bit a LOT and, nobody can seem to post up an answer saying the US "needs" illegal aliens, even in the fields.
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:54 PM
 
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Only if they pay the convicts at least minimum wage. Otherwise this is a dangerous idea, because then you'll have every industry lobbying to really ramp up mass incarceration just so that they can get cheap labour.
Agreed.

Although word is many prisons have been working their inmates 50 years ago making license plates and so on.
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Old 05-27-2017, 12:04 AM
 
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Trump Threats, Minimum Wage, Overtime Hitting California Farmers Hard « CBS Sacramento

Meanwhile American youth who could be doing the job are doing nothing and eating themselves to an early grave from type II diabetes.
If your point is that you cannot get US citizens to do this critical job, you may be finally getting the point. Not just in CA, either.

If your point is that farmers , both Dems and Reps, are being hurt by Trump policies, you are correct there also. TPP (which Trump backed out of) was highly beneficial to AG.

I wonder who the parents are that would want their kids picking lettuce when we have the lowest unemployment in history?

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Old 05-27-2017, 12:06 AM
 
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Proof please. I've heard that bit a LOT and, nobody can seem to post up an answer saying the US "needs" illegal aliens, even in the fields.
Start here. Bet you do not read it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom..._United_States
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Old 05-27-2017, 12:15 AM
 
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Good, then get the REAL immigrants instead of the border hopping criminals. Perhaps we should cheat at our jobs by taking some money from the cash register and just call it an "undocumented withdrawal" and "redistribution of wealth" to make it sound more politically correct.
They could be given legal means as guest laborers. The act of vetting, tracking and legalizing would require a massive bureaucracy and cost to taxpayers, and then they would be entitled to decent wages, limits on hours worked and possibly benefits.

Guessing no one actually wants that.

The best part of this Trump experiment to rid us of illegals, is we are going to see how badly we need them! The rubber meets the road. I'm all for it! Put and end to the nonsense and hypocrisy and rhetoric once and for all.
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Old 05-27-2017, 12:22 AM
 
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Start here. Bet you do not read it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom..._United_States
Even in industries with high concentrations of illegal workers — such as construction, restaurants and some parts of agriculture — the impact isn't as great as many people think. If there weren't illegal immigrants working in construction in places like Chicago and Miami, then demand for legal workers would go up, which would mean wages would rise. But very quickly, legal workers from other parts of the country would move to those cities, and wages would go back down. The net impact on wages would be relatively modest.

Illegal immigrants do often take some of the country's least attractive jobs, such as in meat packing and agriculture. If there were no undocumented workers available for those jobs, employers would likely invest in new technology, replacing workers with automation.

Q&A: Illegal Immigrants and the U.S. Economy : NPR

Form the Wikipedia link you posted, ^^^ footnote number 20.

Tho since NPR is pro illegal alien, even they've got a BIG problem trying to say illegals are "needed".
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