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Old 05-29-2017, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
USA does not contribute 3.61%, the USA has a TOTAL defense budget of 650 billion -- not million because it chooses to be a military power house.

The 2% is not REQUIRED it is a guideline for countries to work towards by 2024 for their OWN defense budget...not for NATO budget.

Do some reading kids and learn what you are debating.

That's all
The information has been provided to them time and time again here, the problem is they refuse to grasp the facts or simply cannot grasp them.


Read? Their fearless leader does not read and he proudly admits that, that seems to be common trait with the ignorant.


Wasting time with the willfully ignorant, you would have better luck talking to a cat, at least it listens, well sorta.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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38 pages of debating and most of the information is false, inaccurate and full of alternative truths.

That's how we end up with the bozos we have in Washington DC. People don't even try to educate themselves on the issues, they have any clown stand up and spout whatever sounds good and they all bow and think the guy is brillliant.

YES BOTH PARTIES DO THE SAME THING.

Educate yourselves please. Ignorance is not bliss.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:53 AM
 
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We all know Trump has a certain style, he is doing what he does, the way he always does it.
Has he been a patsy for Russia the past several decades or was he just being himself. ?

Trump could give a rats tail what anyone thinks of his style. It got him where he is.
Trump is cocky, arrogant, confident and has courage to lead from the front.
He's also a hell of a lot smarter than those stuffed shirt European politicians. He's playing them.
Isn't it ...wonderful !
Lead from the front, you write! The man has ceded leadership of the free world to Germany. The world thinks he is a joke. He does not lead. All he does is foment chaos. He is a follower. He will follow Putin to the abyss.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:55 AM
 
Location: The 719
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Liberals start their lies with half-truths like "... It was suggested..." and pretty much whenever their lips start moving.

She's just saying, Trump told us we got to pay our own way. Meanwhile, let's embrace our past during our Tap-that-phone-Obama-days.

Here's a quote from the NATO website...

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The combined wealth of the non-US Allies, measured in GDP, exceeds that of the United States. However, non-US Allies together spend less than half of what the United States spends on defence. This imbalance has been a constant, with variations, throughout the history of the Alliance and more so since the tragic events of 11 September 2001, after which the United States significantly increased its defence spending. The gap between defence spending in the United States compared to Canada and European members combined has therefore increased.

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Old 05-29-2017, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
Here you go ..... "Exactly"
It's not "exactly" Rocket Science to find this stuff.

Germany agreed to the same obligation that the other members of NATO agreed to and they did that at the 2014 NATO Summit in Wales
It is not an obligation, but a target, and the goal was to get to that target by 2024.
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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LOL what did Trump do that's so bad? Speak up for America? Beat Hillary? Want to allow the American people to keep more of their money? Want America first? What?
- Ran his campaign on populist nationalism that included rabid racism, sexism and anti-immigrant sentiments.
- Put an actual white nationalist in his administration.
- Filled cabinet positions with wholly unqualified people likely because they were loyal to him, but also seemingly for the purpose of destroying the positions from the inside, such as the EPA, Education and HUD.
- Supported a wall at the Mexican border as a key campaign promise despite the fact that undocumented immigration had already been falling for years and based on the idea that Mexicans were rapists and murders. Promised that Mexico would pay for it, only to have one of Mexico's worst presidents ever completely embarrass him on the issue and now Trump is forced to ask Congress to pay for it instead with public money, something that may never even happen.
- Pushed a multi-nation ban on refugees/immigrants based on religion, an unconstitutional (and frankly, un-American) move that has been repeatedly smacked down by the courts. To top it off, not a single nation listed in the ban had ever had any of its citizens commit an attack on US soil.
- Has repeatedly embarrassed the nation and undermined its position with global allies.
- Bragged about sexually assaulting multiple women.
- Made fun of handicapped people.
- Has outwardly supported the Philippines' Duterte, a man responsible for over 7,000 extrajudicial murders and who "joked" that he would support his soldiers if they got caught raping women.
- Has outwardly supported Turkey's Erdogan, a man that has been steadily eroding personal liberties within the country and is essentially a dictator.
- Has outwardly supported France's Le Pen, leader of a political party that literally started as an offshoot of the Nazis and which continues to share many of those beliefs.
- Has stated he would be "honored" to meet North Korea's Un, a dictator that regularly murders his own family members.
- Passed EO's that weaken worker protections.
- Passed EO's that weaken sexual assault protections.
- Passed EO's that weaken environmental protections.
- Has bragged about the economy, but can't point to a single actual piece of legislation passed under his short presidency that has been responsible for it.
- Stated he supported LGBT protections and equality, and then removed Obama-era protections for trans people, and supported the states being able to pass discriminatory policies against them based on religion.
- Has had nearly his entire administration involved in investigations related to treason with a foreign power in what looks like might be the biggest US political scandal of all time, if not one of the world's.
- Has used the presidency to further his own financial interests.
- Has engaged in nepotism by putting family members in positions of power within the WH.
- Has engaged in a campaign of anti-science in terms of the environment and climate change in particular.
- Has repeatedly stroked violence against minorities.
- Continuously lies as a matter of policy, often on things that are easily proven to be false.
- Engaged in a campaign against the 1st Amendment, particularly against freedom of the press.
- Supported war crimes not just with Duterte, but by saying the US should kill the innocent family members of terrorists.
- Has built up a base of supporters so loyal that they refuse to question him on anything he does, a cult-like following so intense that it inevitably raises historical comparisons, none of which ended well for the nation in question.
- Repeatedly compromised national intelligence.
- Proposed a budget that would severely cut money to a wide array of programs that benefit Americans, particularly low-income families, the elderly, poor, single parents, the disabled, etc. all for another increase to the military when the US already spends more on defense than just about the entire West combined.
- Pushed for a health-care bill that would cut more than 20 million people from health insurance and would deny coverage for nearly anyone with a pre-existing condition.

How much more do you really need? There's so much more, but this should be more than enough. We've never had a president so blatantly un-American, never had one so corrupt, so ignorant, so compromised in the history of the United States. Nearly everything he does is unprecedented, but entirely in negative ways, that it's hard to state just how damaging and dangerous his presidency has been. Now, do I really expect you to take any of the above or more seriously? Not really. No doubt you'll respond in one of a couple ways- either deflect to Clinton or Obama or Democrats, or you'll suggest that all those things are either fake news or actually somehow positives. Still, the ever-growing list of disasters from Trump needs to be repeated again and again. There should never be normalization of any of it.
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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well, America is still a superpower, but the world has changed and is now multi-polar. Russia is still a major power, but not the same threat as the former Soviet Union. China is a rising regional power with perhaps further aspirations, so America must watch its ascension closely. Yet the U.S. engages in economic exchange with both Russia and China—as such, they are not mortal enemies.

This said, some of you need to read between the lines. Germany signaled that it is shifting to the East (Russia and China).

In term of Middle East trip, I'd say it was a success; dealing with EU NATO and Germany, I'd give it a D-
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If Obama insisted on compliance to the agreement the liberal media would be praising him.
He did, but unlike Trump he didn't spit in their faces and call NATO obsolete.
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Florida
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True, and if we stopped spending around the world, which I am all for due to our own financial situation, would the Repubs and Trump use that money to help the hurting US Citizens? We both know the answer to that is No, the proposed Budget proves what their priorities are, and it is not the American People.
Obviously not. They have already called for more military spending. US will always spend heavily on military, because it is what we choose to do. It is not a favor for someone else.
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Florida
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USA does not contribute 3.61%, the USA has a TOTAL defense budget of 650 billion -- not million because it chooses to be a military power house.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita..._United_States
Correct. US pays 21% of NATO expenses, and Europe pays 79%.

It should be beyond obvious that not all US military spending is dedicated to NATO.
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