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Old 05-29-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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150 years ago half of the American workforce was farmers.

50 years ago ~30% of the American workforce supported manufacturing.

People will find something else to do on the whole. Older individuals who find years of developed skills obsoleted overnight are in for a world of pain. This won't be the first generation some people catch the short end of that stick and it won't be the last, but we're not going to run out of stuff to do.
Here is the thing. It is a fallacy of the claim of "years of developed skills". The fact is, education did not prepare the youth anymore than the older generations. Most disciplines can be taught very quickly if cut the fat. You can train someone to do software and network engineering quickly. You can teach various specified tasks for mechanical, electrical, etc... focused disciplines very quickly.

The fact is, most of the education even in STEM fields is wasted once you get in the field. The required elements of skill in those fields is often a small percentage of the required knowledge to achieve a functional role.

Also, as I said with new tech, comes new opportunities, it frees up some aspects of life to which opens up new focuses and needs.

Those trying to sell the doom and gloom do so for political purposes, to promote control and increase power. They have been doing this since the beginning of time and with each new progression in the world, they take the ignorance of the general public and promote fear to gain support for whatever political focus they have.

This is not about AI, it is not about jobs, it is not about people starving, it is about control and power that comes with implementing a system like Universal Basic Income as with each program that is instituted by government it creates more dependency by the people.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:04 AM
 
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Invisible Pink Unicorns and the Guaranteed Basic Income

Gather ‘round children, and I’ll tell you a tale about a beautiful invisible pink unicorn that will give everyone more than enough money so they never, ever need money again.

With a swish of its beautiful tail, all the people found themselves with a bank balance of 22 billion billion quatloos (a substantial sum!). Everyone was equally wealthy. No one needed money. And no one had to sell their labor nor the property to get more money since they didn’t need any.

Some people raised crops, and ate them. Some people herded animals, and ate them. But no one gave a hoot about selling anything. No one needed money. And thus nothing was available for sale. Why even the starving children were fabulously wealthy.

And, that, children, is how money madness works in a sophisticated society. These madmen believe in money (an abstraction) more than the reality of goods and services. (As the proverbial Indian said, “White man go crazy over yellow metal.”)

No one questions who creates money, how they got that power, why we need it, nor challenges the loan of that scarce money, at interest. Of course, everyone knows that the invisible pink unicorn can create all the money in the universe, so let’s not worry too much.

Sadly, prosperity is not based on money. A rich man trapped on a deserted island can’t buy anything let alone his rescue (Gilligan’s Island Scenario). Money is useless, worthless, and meaningless unless there is something in the marketplace, and sellers willing to trade for the money token.

In reality, prosperity is based on prodigious production, equitable trade, and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services. Doing more with less so more can enjoy is superior to doing less with more so few can enjoy. Money has nothing to do with it. If everything was traded by barter, you couldn’t even account for it!

Instead of a guaranteed basic income, consider what would guarantee prodigious production of usable goods and services?
Isn’t there unmet need?
Aren’t there unemployed and underemployed laborers?
Aren’t there unused resources and raw materials?
Aren’t there unused manufacturing facilities?
Aren’t there closed retail and distribution facilities?

Ask each: What is stopping you?
“Don’t have extra money!”
Based on inflation, there’s supposed to be “too much money chasing too few goods.” Who has all that money and is bidding up the price for milk and cookies?
Bill Gates?
The “evil” Rich?
Nope. They’re not bidding up the price.
Who is debauching the money supply and its buying power?

http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htm
● How much U.S. currency is in circulation?

● There was approximately $1.5 trillion in circulation as of February 22, 2017, of which $1.47 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes.
U.S. Population (2017) : 326,474,013
>>> $4,502.65 per capita <<<

Gee, that looks like a money drought to me.
Let’s whip that invisible pink unicorn into action.

Pay attention people, and you might learn something here.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg gave the commencement address at Harvard for the Class of 2017, where he suggested a Universal Basic Income, meaning free money for everyone, so they could be creative and pursue their dreams



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjHeggQFpYA
It's an inevitability.

I don't think we should rush into it carelessly, but one day, it will happen. The necessities of life will one day be able to be produced by machines, meaning only the special things will allows jobs to be plentifully available. This won't necessarily gauruntee wealth for many in the long run. What will happen is a basic income to supplement basic needs, and our additional works, doing things we love, will give us the funds to buy the extra things. That's my vision of the future anyway. It's just an idea. All the same, I feel aspects of it are all but inevitable.
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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Zuck, don't pretend like you're so compassionate. You've sold out your fellow Americans with H1Bs and illegal aliens. You've help Europe censor their own people! As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't even be allowed to set foot on our soil.
"Compassionate"? The guy that became a Billionaire while his creation perpetuated rapant cyber bullying and deaths, a format for ISIS and others to grow, a format that creates permanent division among families and friends the world over.
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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It will allow people to be more creative ... or just spend it all on drugs and alcohol .
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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The Real Reason Zuckerberg Supports A Universal Basic Income | Zero Hedge
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:56 AM
 
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"Compassionate"? The guy that became a Billionaire while his creation perpetuated rapant cyber bullying and deaths, a format for ISIS and others to grow, a format that creates permanent division among families and friends the world over.
>>>> He's a Rockefeller, what else did you expect?
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Old 05-29-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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Mark Zuckerberg could give away hundreds of thousands of free expensive college educations without his net worth dropping 2%. He could provide a $12,000 grant to 1.7 million people if he actually cares about giving them a chance to “try new ideas”, and still have $42 billion left for a rainy day.

If he is so concerned about people having a cushion to fall back on, why not start a charity that gives free room and board to anyone who wants to come and explore their options for meaningful employment, like an internship?

That’s what I would do, literally open the doors to anyone who feels that they have no other options, provide them that safety net, and train them in the meantime based on their desires and pursuits. He could do this. He could empower people with his wealth.

But he doesn’t.

Instead, Zuckerberg appeals to a victim mentality:
This post calls for more attention.

Read this progressive liars, and eat the crap you spew.

Note that you are tools, idiots, morons, peasants working for your better, who claim they are better and treat you like the lower lives you have proclaimed yourselves to be.

Wake up morons. You are fools, idiots, and dupes. Grow a brain and some balls and do something of note instead of being the errand boy for rich monarchs.

Stop being idiots!
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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A guaranteed income would also give people more time to waste time on Facebook
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Old 05-29-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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This is the makings of the French Revolution. The American people aren't going to let themselves fall into Rio, Sao Paolo or Belo Horizonte favela conditions while the rich not only get to keep their money, but get even richer. Can you say French Revolution 2.0: American Edition?
The only thing that will happen is that people will vent on FacePuke and various forums. Americans are too weak to actually do anything.
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