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Old 05-29-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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The top 1% have been by far the largest beneficiaries of wealth increase in the last several decades and the middle class has been flat, why would a decrease in taxes do anything else but increase the disparity.
Your statement could only be true in a socialist/communist country or a country with slavery and castle system.

In America, roughly 80 percent of millionaires in America are the first generation of their family to be rich. They didn’t inherit their wealth; they earned it.


https://www.cato.org/publications/co...real-1-percent

70% of the rich people lose their wealth by the second generation, and 90% by the 3rd.

70% of Rich Families Lose Their Wealth by the Second Generation | Money

What does this mean? It means wealth trickles down to the poor in an head spinning rate - some poor people become the super rich while the rich lose their wealth!

But please don't let facts and truth get in your way.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:53 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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No I don't believe in "trickle down" economics. I do know Hillary Clinton is not the president. A magnificent win for the American people.
Unfortunately, you apparently voted for someone who does believe in the trickle down theory. Were you unaware?

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Anyone who wants to know the truth of trickle-down economics, google Kansas and Trickle Down economics. Kansas took trickle down to all new heights and performed a grand experiment on the people of Kansas. The experiment has wrecked and destroyed Kansas. Now, Trump want to follow Gov. Brownback's lead. Brilliant let's bankrupt this country like Brownback bankrupted Kansas.

Trickle down has always been a hoax.

Editorial: Kansas' experiment in voodoo economics is floundering. And spreading. | The Platform | stltoday.com
The Kansas economy has been destroyed by Brownback. Yet, likely, they would vote another one just like him back in.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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You would have to be a real mental midget to actually believe trickle down works.. the economic statistics since 1980 emphatically show that it doesn't. Trickle down theory was a sham economic theory proposed to Ronald Reagan by wealthy people that knew it would benefit wealthy people more than anyone.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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At this point I would like to present some criticisms of Voodoo economics from this web site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

The economist John Kenneth Galbraith noted that "trickle-down economics" had been tried before in the United States in the 1890s under the name "horse and sparrow theory." He wrote, "Mr. David Stockman has said that supply-side economics was merely a cover for the trickle-down approach to economic policy—what an older and less elegant generation called the horse-and-sparrow theory: 'If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.'" Galbraith claimed that the horse and sparrow theory was partly to blame for the Panic of 1896

In the 1992 presidential election, Independent candidate Ross Perot called trickle-down economics "political voodoo.

In New Zealand, Labour Party MP Damien O'Connor has, in the Labour Party campaign launch video for the 2011 general election, called trickle-down economics "the rich pissing on the poor"

A 2015 paper by researchers for the International Monetary Fund argues that there is no trickle-down effect as the rich get richer:
[i]f the income share of the top 20 percent (the rich) increases, then GDP growth actually declines over the medium term, suggesting that the benefits do not trickle down. In contrast, an increase in the income share of the bottom 20 percent (the poor) is associated with higher GDP growth.

The wild success of trickle down is evident in the decrease in the size of the middle class, the general flattening of earnings by the middle class, and the three recessions since implementation in the late nineteen eighties. - Tonyafd
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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Too many pages to sort through but someone referenced the increase in their 401K as a way the economy grows when corporations or individuals just hold more money.

Economics a little rusty but as people expand their savings (which is what a 401K is) does that expand the economy or allow it to grow?

How does Apple holding on to cash -- not expanding or adding more jobs or investing more in new products, etc...help to grow the economy.

It helps to grow the 'holdings' of some -- but does that mean more jobs, and more spending.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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trickle down, even bastardized by government, has worked very well in the us for over two centuries.
lol
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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lol
Yes, it is funny that so many people just dismiss the evidence that the US has demonstrated it for so long.

I'm glad you agree.
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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Too many pages to sort through but someone referenced the increase in their 401K as a way the economy grows when corporations or individuals just hold more money.

Economics a little rusty but as people expand their savings (which is what a 401K is) does that expand the economy or allow it to grow?

How does Apple holding on to cash -- not expanding or adding more jobs or investing more in new products, etc...help to grow the economy.

It helps to grow the 'holdings' of some -- but does that mean more jobs, and more spending.
I touched on that earlier corporations only tout 401k's because it saves them money in the long run. They do not "help" the economy. Anyone that believes that is a blubbering idiot. As I said, people would take a pension over a 401k match any day of the week.
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:05 AM
 
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I touched on that earlier corporations only tout 401k's because it saves them money in the long run. They do not "help" the economy. Anyone that believes that is a blubbering idiot. As I said, people would take a pension over a 401k match any day of the week.
You have your SS pension. Enjoy it.
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:07 AM
 
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You have your SS pension. Enjoy it.
What's that mean ?/
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